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Slimebeast on 15 December 2016
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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Are you just playing with me and teasing or you don't really understand my point? Am I so bad at explaining my views?

I doubt it. I think most readers understand (I especially hope our minority members don't misunderstand).

I have no problem with a multicultural and multisexual cast in Star Wars if it comes naturally. Most talent in Hollywood is still white, and you could decrease that proportion a bit in order to reflect the futuristic vision of humanity in space like it's depicted in Star Wars, and also adjust the cast to the global audience a bit, that's perfectly fine, but if you also use talent as a recruitment basis there's inevitably going to be a bunch of white actors too in lead roles in a big movie like Star Wars. Hollywood is still predominalty white, so let the movies be prominantly white.

I don't like that this movie on purpose excludes white men. How can I spell it out for you?

Mankind will gradually, slowly change and become increasingly multicultural. I don't have a problem with that! But just don't force it. And do not delibareltly hold down white people out of envy, that's what I am against.

There's black groups in the US monitoring the number of minority casting in media and all hell would break lose if this Star Wars was entirely white, I guarantee you.

History is irrelevant to my argument. I'm in the present and looking in the future, and I am worried. Historically, movies have had an extremely high proportion of white actors. I'm not saying I want to turn back the clock and go back to those days. That would be unfair.


Is it not a "natural evolution" of films to have more ethnicities included when a higher proportion of the movie ticket buying audience is of varying ethnicities? 

When exactly are more colored people allowed in Hollywood films then by your estimation? 10 years from now? 20 years from now? How does that happen "naturally" in a way that doesn't offend your sensibilities of needing a majority white cast?

I'm genuinely curious. 

Yes it is, that is a big factor. As I said, I'm fine with casts being somewhat adapted to the global, multiracial and multicultural audience so that everybody feels included (in most movies, but as I said earlier, not in movies where authenticity is important, like in historical epics or say a movie that takes place in a homogenous society like Japan). It's a balance. But if that would be the main the motive, then I'm fine with it. You must be sensitive about quotas.

For the fifth time: my claim is, and I'm not the only one, is that the cast of Star Wars is chosen in order to make a statement. It excludes white men on purpose. That's the basis for my whole complaint, but it's so fucking dishonest of you to completely ignore it. What does it cost you to say "Slimebeast, don't worry I get your point, but.."?

You can't demand that I declare a timeline for when minorities are allowed in such and such proportions in big movies, because that's not what my complaint was about. I am complaining that in the new Star Wars movie, it's obvious that the cast has been chosen with a multicultural brainwashing leftist agenda in mind, on purpose excluding white men from leading good guy roles. That's my complaint. I'm not proclaiming that I exactly know how casts should be universally decided for all eternity.

Do you think white people, asians and other disadvantaged races should be better represented in the NFL, MLB and NBA too because we feel sorry for them? The players in those leagues don't represent the American or global audience at all.

Colored people are allowed already. Don't put words in my mouth. I can't predict the future. Just don't quote them in too heavily, that's what I'm saying, because it will come naturally. Quotas create discrimination. When there's enough talented minority actors in the recruiting pool we will also see an increasing amount of minorities represented in the movies, I am sure of that.

Your style of argumentation really bothers me because you have a strong tendency to twist everything and make it sound bad. But I still think I won this discussion, my arguments are more convincing than yours.