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Slimebeast on 10 September 2016
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Captain_Yuri said:
Slimebeast said:

I'm saying they don't offer performance in relation to the price. If you have followed the PC discussion here many members have expressed how they feel the GTX 1070 is very expensive. Especially compared with what the 970 offered in last gen. Not to speak of the 1080 which is crazy expensive. Like you say, many people have decided to wait, because they're sitting with ther 970s, 290s and 980s realizing that the performance increase with the new GPUs just isn't worth the cost. And what you'll get on screen will not look dramatically better.

I'm asking for a sense of proportions.

There's a big difference if a high-end PC (GTX 1080) is 4 times faster than the console you're playing on (PS4) or if it's twice as fast (PS4 Pro). That's the point of Mr House when he talks about PS4 Pro competing with PC - the gap is not necessarily eliminated, but it's much smaller now. He didn't say "beat" PC, he says "compete".

For many people it is about how big the gap is. The question of how much better will PC gaming look? There are definitely going to be a lot of people who think "oh, the Playstation 4 Pro is almost on par with these cheap gaming PCs for $600-700, and it's no longer an ocean of difference like it was compared with a regular PS4, so I think I'm gonna stay in the Playstation echosystem especially since it's only $400".

I have owned a R9 290 since early 2014 and I've waited for a long time for the 14nm GPUs, but since I'm an AMD guy I will wait for Vega. I expect it to be on par with a GTX 1080, but I also feel that it won't be that huge of an upgrade I would like it to be for $600 (less than twice the performance of a 290), and I also feel that it won't totally "blow away" the PS4 Pro. It just doesn't.

Even compared with the next best PC GPU, that still costs over 800 freaking Euro where I live (over $900), the Playstation 4 Pro looks very very nice.

In relation to the price? Why are we talking about price? Andrew House didn't say anything about the price. They said the "highest performance and highest visuals." And the only thing thats expensive about the 1070 is the terrible valued founders edition.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-official-msrp-299-nonreference-models-retail-329349/

https://www.google.ca/search?q=1070+msrp&oq=1070+msrp&aqs=chrome..69i57.2638j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

970 MSRP is $329

1070 MSRP is $379

Unless you get a founders edition which no one is gonna get cause its stupidly priced and doesn't offer anything. There are plenty of other editions to choose from. And yea, he said compete but he also said it "We wanted to keep those people within our eco-system by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]." He didn't say, for $400 or similary priced PC. He said the PS4Pro will give the people who are looking to upgrade to PC For the Highest Visuals and Performance which its not good at either. If someone is looking to PC for the best performance, PC has it. I have no idea what does price have to do with anything considering he didn't say anything about the price. 

You do realize that a $250 1060 beats the Pro handly right? Its not exactly hard to Google and look at the performance numbers and see that the ps4Pro is compromising even at 1080p where as with PC, you get maxed settings, 1080p, 60fps. And those looking to upgrade knows about the PC prices as well as the performance numbers.

And how does it not "blow away" the ps4 or is twice as fast as a Ps4Pro? The ps4 can't even do 1080p 60fps max settings that a 970 can do with RoTR. And a 1080 more than doubles than framerate of the 970. Did you even do any research before posting your comments?

Prices for products is different everywhere you go. In some places its cheaper, in some places, its more expensive. It is silly to even compare "Oh where I live its blah." The most solid pricing comparison is to compare the MSRP and in the US cause thats where majority of the prices seem to happen.

It's like talking to a wall. You just don't seem to understand the concept of proportions, everything is just black and white.