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Slimebeast on 10 September 2016
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Captain_Yuri said:
Slimebeast said:

Just look at the PC gamers on our site. Almost nobody owns a GTX 1070 or GTX 1080! Because they are damn expensive and don't offer enough performance for all that money.

You can dream about one and even boast about PC being superior on forums, but if you don't actually own a 1070 or 1080, your PC will not be much faster than a PS4 Pro. Most people who own a PS4 won't upgrade to a $1200 PC, but instead buy a cheaper PC.

Lol wut. PC gamers on our site, the actual ones are either planning to get one or are waiting for the next itteration because of how Nvidia released everything which suggests the 10 series is going to be a short cycle. Oh and not to mention that vgc is a very console favored site so getting stats from vgc is flawed as hell consdering how many PC hate threads we have had in the past. And how do they not offer enough performance? They blow away the PS4Pro without breaking a sweat. And the 1070 costs as much as a ps4Pro and old CPUs like the i5 2500K is more than capable of beating the cpu inside the PS4Pro.

Yea my current PC isn't faster than a ps4Pro but it will perform better than PS4Pro at 1080p while being older than it... So I am not sure what you are getting at? I am planning to buy a PS4Pro for the exclusives and anyone that is thinking about upgrading to a PC for visuals and performance know the costs of building a PC. So I am not sure what does that have to do with anything. And it actually isn't as high as you say. A $600-$700 PC will beat a PS4Pro. Cause you don't need a 1070 to beat a PS4Pro.

I'm saying they don't offer performance in relation to the price. If you have followed the PC discussion here many members have expressed how they feel the GTX 1070 is very expensive. Especially compared with what the 970 offered in last gen. Not to speak of the 1080 which is crazy expensive. Like you say, many people have decided to wait, because they're sitting with ther 970s, 290s and 980s realizing that the performance increase with the new GPUs just isn't worth the cost. And what you'll get on screen will not look dramatically better.

I'm asking for a sense of proportions.

There's a big difference if a high-end PC (GTX 1080) is 4 times faster than the console you're playing on (PS4) or if it's twice as fast (PS4 Pro). That's the point of Mr House when he talks about PS4 Pro competing with PC - the gap is not necessarily eliminated, but it's much smaller now. He didn't say "beat" PC, he says "compete".

For many people it is about how big the gap is. The question of how much better will PC gaming look? There are definitely going to be a lot of people who think "oh, the Playstation 4 Pro is almost on par with these cheap gaming PCs for $600-700, and it's no longer an ocean of difference like it was compared with a regular PS4, so I think I'm gonna stay in the Playstation echosystem especially since it's only $400".

I have owned a R9 290 since early 2014 and I've waited for a long time for the 14nm GPUs, but since I'm an AMD guy I will wait for Vega. I expect it to be on par with a GTX 1080, but I also feel that it won't be that huge of an upgrade I would like it to be for $600 (less than twice the performance of a 290), and I also feel that it won't totally "blow away" the PS4 Pro. It just doesn't.

Even compared with the next best PC GPU, that still costs over 800 freaking Euro where I live (over $900), the Playstation 4 Pro looks very very nice.