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| RolStoppable said: Your first post was specifically saying "a couple of years ago", so that's what you should have stuck with instead of extending the timeframe and topics every way you saw fit. I could extend the list of beliefs with countless other things, but that has no value here, so back to your initial post. Of which there is not much left, except for "it could still happen". You tried to call out people who supposedly changed their stance, but what they objected to has yet to happen. |
I said that people claimed Nintendo would never bring their main franchises to mobile a couple of years ago, a Super Mario game is now ready for mobile, which means their assumption was false. You're the one who imposed the mainline games argument, "main franchise" means Super Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc, no where have I said "the next Mario Kart" or "the next SMB".
Even after Nintendo announced their partnership with DeNA, it was said that they would simply create apps together to promote the "real" software and bring customers back to their core business, which is handhelds and home consoles, and that DeNA would help create a proper account system and online infrastructure. There were very few even at this point who would dare suggest that a Super Mario game, in any form what so ever, would appear on mobile in the near future, this is now happening, thus the assumptions were wrong all along. For the record; I wasn't sure they would do this either, at least not so soon and probably with a smaller franchise to test the waters a little.
As for the "couple of years ago" bit; I believe you and I both understood the implied time frame of the beliefs revolving around the Wii U's success, so saying that "I don't think that the consensus a couple of years ago was that the Wii U would win the eighth generation." is beneath someone as savvy as yourself- When I mentioned the bit about the Wii U's surefire success since the Wii won, this was merely a demonstration of how people have made huge assumptions about Nintendo that have been proven wrong in the past.
So; number one, I have said that it was widely believed and accepted that Nintendo would not release any of their main franchises on mobile, this is now proven false with the announcement at the Apple event, no matter how you try to spin it (and, again, no where did I say that their next big budget titles would appear here) and to try to impose that what I actually meant was that people had only been saying that Nintendo wouldn't move their biggest titles to mobile from handhelds and home consoles is ridiculous. Those were not the statements I was referring to, even though these are also statements that have been made, and these are correct assumptions to this day, which means next to nothing for the overall point I was making.
Number two, in the case of the Wii U and the whole rule of "the same manufacturer always wins twice in a row", it is blatantly obvious that I never made any claims that it was consensus that the Wii U would win the 8th gen when we were already well into the horrid lifecycle and one of the worst console sales curves of all time. This is referring to the time when Wii U was still Project Cafe and not much was known of the PS4 and Xbox One.
For someone who claims to be opposed to dishonest and cheap tactics in discussion, you sure seem fond of using the whole "well, someone also made these, similar statements on the subject, which means that this is actually the statements you're talking about."
Subject A says that ducks can't swim on October 4th, 2001. Subject B says that ducks can't swim when waves are too high on July 6th, 2004. Subject C and D have a discussion on people's understanding of ducks, Subject C writes that "Gee, I remember back in the day when people said ducks can't swim", subject D then interjects "Uh, actually, they said that ducks can't swim when waves are too high". I know you're better than this, so do you.
