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Soundwave on 04 September 2016
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Captain_Yuri said:
Soundwave said:

The answer to that is easy -- no Nintendo doesn't have anything as unique as the Wii/DS. It's freaking hard to have something unique like that. Even Apple has not really had a hit new idea or concept since the iPad and that is what .... like 7-8 years ago? 

So no, NX is barring a miracle not going to be the second coming of the Wii/DS. They are in reality probably going to have to work harder than they've ever worked before to just match what the 3DS got, which was largely able to secure a decent userbase before mobile and tablets became too entrenched. 

That's really not the question though, the question really is of all the options available to Nintendo, they are all difficult paths. There is no easy path here for Nintendo, doing the same thing as the past would also likely get them killed. From the looks of it they choose to try and embrace mobile I think rather than try to fight it. I think they swallowed their pride in a big way when they made the decision to make mobile games and I think NX is basically a system designed in large part for a new generation of kids who don't give a shit about the 3DS or Wii U and is tailored more towards their needs. And this decision I think will change Nintendo forever, and I suspect it was something that was hotly debated within the halls of Nintendo. 

That's also why I think Nikkei's report is correct (and they have been mostly correct on everything Nintendo related they report even when Nintendo denies it). I expect Android apps on the NX, it'll just be through Nintendo's eShop and something tightly controlled by Nintendo and they will keep a 30% cut. 

Now we can debate the direction Nintendo should take, but I think Nintendo already made the decision and had these discussions ... 2 years ago. We are just realizing it now. 

So... They are embracing mobile by going into the tablet market which is declining and has stiff competition? If the kids are so hyped about tablets, why are tablet sales going down year over year? 10% drop globally and 20% drop for ipad sales is huge... And Q1 2016 saw a drop as well.

And yea Nintendo made the decision 2 years ago but in reality, we don't know what that decision is. A few months ago, everyone was like zomg, its gonna be a home console and a handheld with shared library with AMD hardware. No one even thought they were going Tablet and Nvidia and we don't even know if that is true. But all I am saying is, if they are going this route, I would prefer/hope they have two skus with two different screen sizes and price points.

That way, they can venture into the Tablet space while keeping a foot in the handheld space for those of us that don't carry tablets.

Oh and just a disclaimer, I don't think the NX itself is gonna flop or anything regardless of Nintendo's decision. I am just trying to figure out what their logic is...

Tablets evening out in sales was naturally going to happen, you don't need a new tablet every year and bigger phones are taking away the need for tablets for some. 

Tablets are still the defacto computing device for a lot of people and I know kids cannot get enough of them. Every time I have my nieces and nephews comes over the first they want is the iPad, not the two 3DS' I have or any of my game consoles (yup that goes for you too Sony and MS). 

Nintendo's logic is I think they did extensive market research on kids and realized that today's 6/7/8 year old that normally would have a Nintendo portable as their first game machine (this is some thing that's been money for Nintendo since 1989) wasn't happening anymore. Today's 6/7/8 year old's first game machine is not a DS/3DS/Game Boy or even a PSP/Vita ... it's a tablet. DS means nothing ... *nothing* to these kids, they weren't even born when the DS was in its hey day. 

And I think that scared the shit out of Nintendo, more than any Playstation or XBox or Genesis has ever done. 

That Christmas where they had Pokemon X/Y for the 3DS and even made a budget "kids model" 2DS without the 3D even so kids couldn't complain ... when the 3DS didn't go through the roof in sales ... I have a feeling that devastated Nintendo internally. They really bet the farm hard on that and threw everything at the 3DS that they could to that point and instead of sales increasing, their shipments were actually going south. I think holiday 2013 was a sobering moment for Nintendo, I remember Iwata even saying they were distressed with sales in the West (didn't help that the Wii U also flopped that holiday).