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Soundwave on 10 August 2016
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fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Actually I believe here is states a 60% power saving over even 20nm (I guess 20nm was a bust, no wonder it wasn't widely used much) when talking about 16nm FF+ (16nm FF and 16nm FF+ are different). That's pretty significant. 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpu-manufactured-tsmc-16nm-ff-node-flagship-single-chip-card-feature-16-gb-hbm2-vram/

TSMC’s 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. Comparing with 20SoC technology (this is 20nm), 16FF+ provides extra 40% higher speed and 60% power saving.

Wouldn't surprise me actually if this is the real reason NX was delayed, if they were using a vanilla or even modified Tegra X1 and nothing but, they should have been good to go for this Christmas, and Zelda should be done so I'm sure they could've put together a decent launch since they sure as hell haven't been making many/any Wii U games of late. Since it's a portable hybrid it probably could've had HD versions of Pokemon Sun/Moon too. 

If Kimishima had said that they delayed because of chip issues it would've caused a fire storm of questions over who is the chip maker, what chip is Nintendo using (that caused the NX delayed), etc. etc. etc., so I think saying games weren't ready was a much more PR-savvy excuse. 

LAWL, don't believe any of the hype from semiconductor foundries when they've been becoming stagnant ... 

In real world scenarios ASICs only managed a gain of a little less than 60% perf/watt at the BEST CASE from 28nm when transitioning to 16nm (GTX 980 t GTX 1080 and the latter had to use the state of the art standardized GDDR5X memory modules) ... 

I am warning you that you are setting yourself up for some extreme disappointment if you believe the NX is going to be this beast of an engineering marvel that'll somehow be able to deliver PS4 equivalent experience at the go in a small little package ... 

I've never said it was a beast, I do think they probably are waiting for 16nm FF+. As far as I know there are no 16nm FF+ processors on the market right now though it was promised for this year, my guess is that being well behind schedule and that is the real reason for the NX delay.

I don't expect pixel perfect PS4 ports, but even the PS3/360 are capable of running some PS4 games like Far Cry 4 and Metal Gear Solid V. It's up to the developer, in Japan I'm going to guess many devs will be willing to put in the effort to retool even PS4 games for NX because it's likely going to be the market leader in Japan.

I think the most sensible set up is for the NX to have one performance mode for portable/battery power, and another for TV/home play that is 2-4x the battery based performance. That would be a *real* hybrid device that can credibly perform on the road but also on a 50+ inch home television screen. How they do that, whether by having only part of the chip active in portable mode or if they have some tech off-loaded onto a home dock is up to their designers to figure out, they get paid a whole lot more money than I do to figure this stuff out (which is $0). 

Having said that, they make their own decisions and I'm buying a NX no matter what on day 1 and I will play my NX more than a PS4 or XBox or whatever because I prefer Nintendo software, doesn't matter how many giga/tera/jigaflops there are.