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Louie said:
Soundwave said:

So you want Nintendo to make a casual platform to the point of decrying things like dual analog, but you don't want third parties to make casual games for it. I dunno if I follow the logic.

I don't even recall Ubi Soft ever "shitting on Nintendo", they've supported them a fair deal, everyone including Nintendo bailed on the Wii U, can't really fault them for that, but even there they probably supported the system better than most. 

When people like Rol and I say we want a mass market console we don't mean we want shitty games. Wii Sports Resort, Mario Kart Wii and Mario Bros. Wii were high quality games and still attracted a casual audience, just like Tetris, Mario Land, etc. (heck, the original Pokemon was a casual game unless millions of 6-10 year olds count as hardcore gamers now). This picture illustrates the point: 

What we want is the dog. What Ubisoft makes is the play-thingy on the right side. That's what is upsetting him. Unfortunately casual gaming has become so synonymous on gaming forums with "low quality games" that people often think we want that as well. 

Which casual games, even those from Nintendo, are held in the same esteem as "core" games. Even for Nintendo's casual games, nobody was exactly putting Brain Training or Wii Fit in the same category as Zelda or Mario Galaxy or lobby for Wii Party as GOTY. 

Casual games are not really ever going to have the higher tier "quality" because that would mean the play mechanics are complex and more challenging/time intensive, and that doesn't work in the context of casual gaming most of the time.