Game of Thrones Battle of the Bastards

[LurkerJ]

theprof00 said:

LurkerJ said:

Jamie's good side was shown way before he told Brienne about the origins of the Nickname "kingslayer". 

He refused to fight Ned when he was injured. He argued fiercely with his father over it. He also was very kind to his brother and stood for him against Cersei. 

I think we agree more than we disagree on this, Jamie is a realist who sees life for what it is.

I didn't mean "kingslayer bit" as in, the scene in the show where they talked about his pseudonym. I meant like, back when he was a kingsguard, and killed Aerys, and then, like you said he was judged harshly for it despite being the right thing to do. I think that harsh judgement was what deluded Jaime. I think he was probably a good loyal person before. But it's like, his dream was to be a noble knight, loved by everyone. And he did the right thing. He really did. And society failed him. Instead of thanks, he was scorned. When it's your dream to be a hero, and suddenly youre portrayed as a villain because you didn't follow some stupid 800 year old tradition, what then? I think he decided, "fuck it, I'm your villain then". His ideals kinda went down the drain from there, and all hope lost. It isn't until he starts meeting the starks, and remembering what being a good knight is. 

A lot of people think that he's in love with Brienne because of the way he looks at her. But really, he admires her. She embodies the dream he never fully realized. And she's a woman, she's ugly, she has no character. I think you're right that Jaime always had some knight in him, with the refusal to fight and whatnot, and yeah standing up for Tyrion. Like I said, he definitely has shades of good. But I think it's really when he meets Brienne that he starts to begin making impactful change in his character. 

Excellent analysis. Especially the bit about Brienne being the one he wanted to be.