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Slimebeast said:
KungKras said:
Here's how we can deal with it.

Theoretically, we can accept the number of refugees that we are, but our systems aren't designed for it and so we're doing a terrible job at it.
We need to put up systems that spread the refugees out across the countries instead of gathering at the same locations and forming little independand societies within societies. Which is a bad thing. This should be easy. Refugees need to interact with the locals in their daily lives. If it's possible to not have to do that in an area, then we're not spreading them out enough.

The wahabism that Saudi Arabia is spreading throughout the world is a huge problem, and we need to enact laws that prevent religious institutions from being funded from outside interests. Most middle eastern refugees aren't wahabbis, don't let Saudi Arabia give them an imam that is.

Enforce laws and send a clear message that crime is not tolerated. Driver's licenses have trial periods where if you get caught speeding within a couple of years from when you got it, you lose the license. I don't see why citizenship should be different. And educate people about what the laws are. Make sure everyone knows exactly what will get them in trouble.

Make language education better. Either make it mandatory or easy to come by. The language barrier is a problem that separates people, and we want people to mix as much as possible. The language barrier needs to be efficiently eliminated as soon as possible.

And finally don't turn down people fleeing a war zone. America once turned dowan a ship of jews fleeing nazi germany out of fear that they were german spies. How is history looking back at that one? Do you think the people fleeing Syria likes ISIS? You think they want something similar here? Of course they don't. They're the most likely to want to be brought into society.

Yes, if you are Lebanon or Turkey, beighboring countries with similar countries, you can't turn down truly fleeing people. But there's no reason for them to come to Europe, or rather there's no reason for us to allow them in and cause problems.

Only a small fraction of the total amount of refugees and luck seekers in the Middle east, and they still cause huge problems. How many Syrians were accepted into Europe last year, probably not even half a million, with another half a million young male Afghans and some other groups. And all these cause problems for our countries. And yet there's another 5 million in each country just waiting to come.

So it's hypocricy this blaming the left does that we have to physically accept foreigners when reality is that we're only talking about a fraction we would let in anyway.

I don't see the point in letting in one tenth of all refugees to cause so much problems when the other nine tenths will have to stay and suffer anyway (suffer according to the left, not my words). You don't solve a problem, you just cause new ones.

And a reminder. ISIS is only a small part of the Syrian crisis. It's still mainly a civil war between Assad and rebels of the people who asked for democracy.

Plus saying "they want to be brought into society" sounds a bit simple. Who's society? Your society? Germany? Hungary? Greece? Or the twisted dream image Middle Easterners have of Europe where honey drops down from the trees?

There's a lot of people who flee the terror of Isis and yet want to impose their totalitarian ideology and culture on our society in the long run, willingly or unwillingly.

You seem to think that those refugees are going to cause problems forever. They're not.

Let's look at your hypothetical scenario of only a tenth being helped. Of course it's worth it to help a tenth of those people. It's still tens of thousands of people being helped vs zero.



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