SHOCK CLAIM: Ukrainian fighter jet shot down Malaysia Airlines' MH17

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Sharu said:
1st. Yes. Even if only butterfly shaped shrapnel is in warhead - it will damaged during explosion/collisions. Also to have a butterfly shaped hole in target shrapnel should impact it with very tight angle range, which is impossible irl.

So even in case of 9m38m1 missile most holes must be of different kind of 'normal' holes, with a diversity because of impact angle/speeds/hundreds of factors.

2nd. No. I didn't saw any hole which can be clearly identified as butterfly shaped. Also have to tell you, that even square pieces could make butterfly holes in case if target structure is not simple.

So all I got from our talks is that the missile and warhead cannot be clearly identified by holes. So no info.

In fact even if missile identified it would mean nothing. I can say that 9m38m1 missiles are in Ukraine army too. Or you can say that even if older missiles used - Russia not using it itself but could take it from storage and give to Donetsk militia.

So empty talk in the end... (((

1.  Not impossible, but unlikely.  Or maybe you mean "impossible for them all to hit exactly right, but a few will", which I agree with. 

2.  In the photos at http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/parts-of-mh17-cockpit-found-in-december-2015/ , at least some of them definitely seem to have little pieces coming in from the sides that don't make sense if a square object punched the hole but make perfect sense if a butterfly shaped piece made the hole.  I also don't see how a butterfly shape could be made by square holes in simple sheet metal as is the case in the examples I mention.  (I don't mean the sort of "8" shapes that could possibly have been two squares overlapping, I mean the other ones that are just like squares, but with pieces coming in from the sides, as if the piece wasn't square on all sides.) 

3.  Empty talk?  Definitely not.  For one thing, you thought the Dutch Safety Board had not released their final report, and now you know they did it over six months ago.  Also, when this thread started you were talking about Ukrainian jets shooting air-to-air missiles at the plane, or jets using machine guns and THEN missiles, and the documentary you linked to even reportedly shows people who think it was bombs planted by the CIA and the Dutch.  If we at least agree that it was some kind of land-based anti-air missile, then that's progress from these silly ideas, even if you don't agree about what kind of land-based anti-air missile it was. 

Hopefully you will tell anyone you hear saying a fighter jet shot down MH17, "No, definitely it was anti-air missile from the ground," even if you still think it was from Ukrainians instead of rebels. 

4.  Just for fun ... what is your evidence that Ukraine has 9M38M1 missiles?