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Angelus on 21 May 2016
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DakonBlackblade said:
Angelus said:

This is sadly true, and not for the reasons one would think. A well portrait Spiderman, which this is, SHOULD be a great asset to a Civil War movie, adding an element of lightheartedness and comedy in what is overall a very serious, and often dark storyline. Problem is, the whole movie here is pretty much lighthearted, and full of jokes, so it turns Spiderman into just another number to add to their hero clash. That said, it's still a fun geek moment to see him on screen with the other avengers, so I can't complain about his presence.

They do make imo some big mistakes in the way they represent his (hell, all the heroes) powers. You can't show the Winter Soldier as a credible foe to Captain America for an entire movie in the last go around, then in Civil War have Spiderman treat Bucky like a toy (stopping his super arm without any effort whatsoever), and then make Cap look like he can dispatch Spidey with no effort. And there's many examples of these kinds of issues throughout the movie. The airport fight, while fun to watch, is equally acting because they clearly put it together thinking more about how the moment to moment action would look, rather than making sure it's coherent with the characters the way they've established them. And this is symptomatic of pretty much the whole of their entire lives at this point. Make sure it looks good, make sure it's funny, and remind everyone that more is on the way soon.

Basically, I agree with your OP, though I don't judge it quite as harshly as you. I found it to be an entertaining movie, but also came away annoyed and wishing marvel would do things differently.

The movie has a much darker tone than any other Marvel movie, seriously where are all these jokes ppl talk about. Theres basicaly Spidy being Spidy, Ant-man being Ant-man and Falcon being Falcon,  the Volkswagen beetle scene and basicaly nothing else. Spidy was recruited because Stark needed someone he knew was powerfull enought to handle himself, would the movie work without him ? Ye sure it would. But why keep him out when they got the rights for the character back after all this time. Seing Cap almost killing Stark was so lighthearted, Rodey getting cripled was very light as well, or Wanda blowing 12 people to death due to lack of proper controll over her powers then blaming herself the entire movie while half the team and the ppl of the world all judged her also super light, and the lightest of all is having a villain who is grieving because his whole familly was murdered and so he spends quite a bit of time hearing a recorded voice message from his wife to him.

Non brainwashed version of Buky is way less powerfull than his brainwashed version, this is made very clear on the trilogy, in this movie is absurdly clear. When Zemo braiwashes Bucky he takes down everyone that tries getting in his way, when he is not brainwashed he pretty much looses every 1x1 he gets himself into.

Dude....everyone in the theatre was laughing like every 5 minutes. It was really annoying actually cus I often couldn't hear the next line of dialog. Don't tell me this wasn't a funny, lighthearted movie. Yes, there were moments of seriousness sprinkled in, but they're few and far between, and lost impact, because they try so hard to make you laugh the majority of the time, that any sense of trepidation goes out the window.

Wanda killed some people. You don't see it. Just an explosion on the side of a building. She gets over it after Hawkeye walks in and tells her to get off her ass (that's like literally almost all he said).

Rodey gets crippled.....because they just stare at him falling for 10 seconds.....and Tony forgets his suits can break the sound barrier (seriously did all his toys get worse after iron man 1?) Whatever it's cool, we're quickly told he's basically fine, and at the end we see Tony is gonna fix him up, which was predictable.

I'll give you the fight at the end, which was by far the best part of the movie. Sadly, the movie then closes with a wink to everyone hunting that Tony and Cap will be buddies again real soon, and they don't even have the guts to leave anyone in jail for a minute. So in conclusion, the movie is called Civil War.....and.....nobody dies, nobody ends the movie in captivity, nobodies life gets ruined, and everyone is likely to meet up for drinks soon to laugh about how silly this all was. Bygones and all.

 

It's a fun movie. It's also a terrible Civil War movie.

 

Edit: As for what you said about brainwashed Bucky being stronger, I don't know if that's supposed to be the case of not, but Black Panther basically schools him even without his suit, and everyone else he fights at that point wouldn't stand a chance against him brainwashed or not. Tony only had a glove, Black Widow isn't nearly strong enough to match him, and Cap isn't around until he catches the chopper. So I don't buy that brainwashing makes him stronger, more ruthless of course, but not stronger.