HD Wii?

[Thunderbird77]

Mr Puggsly said:

JWeinCom said:

That doesn't necessarily show the Wii was a bubble.  It could also just show that the Wii U was a crappy console, particularly for casual gamers.

What title was supposed to get casual gamers to buy a Wii U?  Wii Sports Online?  Wii Fit 1.5?

The success Wii had a was a bubble, for the most part that audience is gone. While the core gamers that flocked to PS360 are still buying consoles.

You're right, there is a lack of innovation in Wii U's software and that may be a reason the console failed. But again, if Wii U stuck with the Wiimote, it would have performed better. Due to lower price and more interesting controls than gamepad with a screen.

This is quite possibly the worst thing you said. Not only keeping the illusion that "core gamers" didn't buy a wii, who do you think you are to say wii owners aren't still buying consoles?

Mr Puggsly said:

JWeinCom said:

That's an oversimplification at best.  By the same logic, would we say the PS2 was a failure cause it's successor saw a huge drop off? If one product successfully sells 100 million units, selling consistently through 5 years, and its successor sells 20 million, the more logical conclusion is that the successor kind of sucks... which it did.

The Wii U uses a very complicated looking controller and focussed mostly on more core games.  Nintendo's two biggest casual franchises were released as minor upgrades over their predecessors, and both were launched digitally so they had no shelf presence.  Even the launch software, Nintendo Land, really wasn't all that casual.  Each minigame (except maybe Mario Chase and Balloon Trip) were more complex than the Wii Sports minigames by several orders of magnitude.  Even comments by Miyamoto and Iwata distanced Nintendo from casual gaming.

This just wasn't a casual system.  It may have been designed with that in mind at first, but the games lineup just doesn't bear that out.

It's like if I own a pizza place, that is successful for five years.  People love my pizza.  On the sixth year, I change the menu to entirely burgers, with one burger being a pizza burger.  If my customers all left, you wouldn't go "oh you see, the people didn't really like pizza".  You'd probably say, "those dumbasses should have probably kept selling pizza".  

I try selling burgers for about three years, but it's not working.  So I announce that I'm changing the menu once again.  If I change my menu back to pizza, will those pizza loving customers come back?  Maybe.  It could be that they found a better pizza place, or all went on diets and stopped eating pizza entirely.  But, I think there's a good chance that I could regain a good portion of them if I start making awesome pizza again.

No, bubble means its success that's won't last. Wii and Kinect's success was due to a gimmick, but most people moved on. The failure of WIi U and Kinect 2 doesn't mean their predecessor wasn't successful.

The PS2 userbase didn't just disappear, much of that userbase went to PS3 and Xbox 360.

I don't entirely agree with your analogy, but I see your point. Basically I think we agree Nintendo should have stuck with what worked for them. In my opinion, the Wii U should have simply been a more powerful Wii. The tablet control is cool, but it should have been an optional accessory. The primary controls of Wii U should have been the Wiimote.

The Nintendo home console userbase has declined since NES. The Wii turned that around and I give much of that credit to the Wiimote. I guess NIntendo didn't realize that because they went back to a gamepad and put out high priced console. Even if Wii U stuck with the Wiimote and was lower priced it had no chance of achieving the userbase of Wii (because of the bubble), but it could have sold better.

Then it wasn't a bubble, because it lasted. Wii sold huge software and hardware numbers while it was supported. That's all there is to it. Do you call the ps2 and psp bubbles?

The ps2 userbase went to the wii, ps3 and x360, but the wii got more than the others.

By that logic, the sone home console userbase has declines since the first playstation, with ps2 turning it around credited to it's dvd player. Games are what sold those consoles, no excuses.