New NX details [Rumor]

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Nintyfan90 said:

potato_hamster said:

 It appear extremely logical business decision, but really the only people it truly benefits is Nintendo's hardcore fans. For Nintendo, it means while they may be doubling down on their most hardcore fanbase, they're also limiting the money they can extract from them since these fans will no longer be buying two consoles and two copies of some of their multi-platform games.

Hardcore Ninty fans is all Nintendo cares for to begin with lol. If Nintendo wanted consumers like you, then NX as a platform would be unecessary. 3rd parties can support a platform so Ninty wouldnt need to increase their own support of their home consoles, 3rd parties would already have that covered. How many gens does Ninty need to ignore 3rd parties for you to get the hint they dont care for them? Its all just pr talk like always and then people are stuck looking stupid when things dont go the way they dreamed. Ninty wants to expand outside of core gamers. Blue ocean and Ninty fans is all Ninty cares for, plain and simple. Wii & DS is what Ninty wants to repeat not PS4. Ninty sold 250 million units in a single gen? Why would you then aim for 120 million at best(PS4). You are also assuming Ninty fans wouldnt continue to buy both with a unified plat? I'm sure millions would consider buying both since now their entire library works on the go as well and visa versa. Millions will ofcourse opt for just one of them, just like all of there past gens. Millions opt for just WiiU and millions opt for just 3ds. Millions opt for both as well and would continue to do so for NX as well.

They're also limiting their appeal to a wider audience because the handheld will undoubtedly be more expensive if it has to have a minimum power baseline to make console games also run well on the handheld, or conversely they'll have to severely underpower their home console to make games compatible with the handheld, making the home console's appeal even smaller than the Wii U's (hello Playstation TV). So really they have to choose between an expensive handheld and a unappealing home console in order to even make it feasible.

Weaker home console is the obvious route since Ninty has already gotten away with a weaker plat beating stronger plats, Wii stomping PS3 ring a bell? Now imagine Wii with the DS software backing it also and you have an utter beat down without 3rd parties and being much weaker lol. So im calling bullshit on your less appealing than WiiU line. The problem with most people such as yourself is you are still viewing this thing as home console or handheld? This is no longer a traditional home console or handheld, every game will be playable on both... so why would Ninty seperate their sales? They contribute to a single ecosystem, so singling them out makes no since what so ever. If the portable version sells 60 million and the stationary version sells 40 million, you have a userbase of 100 million rather you agree or not. There is something else you are also ignoring, the gimmicks each individual device will still receive. Thats the most important element about NX, Ninty is still aiming blue ocean. WiiU and 3DS failed because their respective gimmicks never took off, so you were left with a handheld with pretty much 75% of Nintys support and a home console with 25% up against plats with their supporters full support(xb1/ps4). NX on the other hand continues the Wii&DS route but instead safely because if the gimmicks fail again then atleast they still have their entire unsplit fanbase to treat. 

It's also not appealing to third party developers, because even if its just a matter of recompiling the code to work on one platform or another, it's still literally double the testing and there will still be system-specific issues that arise, making the NX more expensive to develop for than the PS4 or X1. They would have to support and test each hardware specification. So it's going to be hard to justify to them to make games on a platform that's more expensive and traditionally doesn't support third parties very well.

Ninty stopped kissing 3rd parties asses years ago, its nothing but fanboy dreams that still believe Ninty cares.

And sure, the potential market might be there between the 3DS and Wii U, but considering that the handheld market could very well be drying up considering the downward trend of all decidcated handheld video game sales, and pretty much no one buying a Wii U besides those that buy any hardware made by Nintendo, it seems like a rather poor choice to put your eggs in that basket.

My favorite part is how people truly believe Ninty would accept such a fate for dedicated handheld devices. Why would Ninty atleast not try to turn it around? This has always been the achilles hill in all NX home console favoritism. NX being a ps4 level home console with all of the handhelds support does not compute at all, what does the handheld gain in this? Why would Nintendo put all of their eggs in a basket(home consoles) that has never been very good to them and has tons of competition? I have a question for you. If Nintys handheld base ever died, how much would a competitive home console from Ninty sale? How would Ninty do if all of their eggs were instead in the basket of a home console? Would Sony not all of a sudden become even more dangerous to Ninty considering now the highest selling games in Japan are even up for grabs, Nintys remaining stronghold? Monster Hunter now has no reason to be exclusive and neither does all the other exclusive 3rds Ninty recieves in Japan.

But hey, let's say it succeed. Let's say the NX goes and sells 150 million consoles world wide. Nintendo is making hundreds of millions a year, everyone is happy. Now let's say the NX successor.... is now two seperate consoles again, because money. Imagine how well that will go over. Nintendo will be forced into hybrid consoles for that point onwards lest they feel their fans wrath.

Wow this makes no sense at all either, why would they re seperate them lol. This is the definition of a reach.

No. Nintendo is not going to have one game for two consoles. It will more than likely be easier than ever to port games from one system to the other, but when you go into gamestop, there will be two different sections of games, side by side. They're going to have two consoles with similar hardware and two games that run seperately on those two consoles, and you'll probably buy one copy of each and think it'll be genius of Nintendo if they gave you a reason to only buy one, and wonder why they don't.

No just no, people wouldnt buy the same game twice? This scenario is practically what they have already been doing accept the games are the same instead of different. How in the world is this encouraging people to buy both? If you buy the home console, you have to buy the handheld and your library again? Thats not encouraging at all.

I bet dollars to donuts that almost every smash bro fan that has a Wii U and a 3DS has a copy on both platforms. I also bet almost every Mario Kart fan that has a Wii U and a 3DS has a copy on both. I'd also bet that the majority of WIi U owners also own a 3DS. That's millions and millions in sales they'd be pissing away, and that's just when it's really difficult to port from the WIi U to the 3DS. If Nintendo manages to make it much, much easier to port games to both seperate devices you'll see more games appearing on platforms -  you could practically double your sales of every major First party Nintendo title by making it available on both the home and portable consoles with little effort, because you and I both know those hardcore Nintendo fans, ( you know, the ones that are willing to spend $200 on a fucking amiibo they never got a chance to buy),  will buy two copies, and a third if a special edition is released a few months later, and a 4 more copies if they each come with different Amiibos. The Nintendo fanbase is absolutely rabid in supporting Nintendo. Merging the two platforms would dramatically decrease the spending of this fanbase on Nintendo products. They'll buy less consoles, and less games for those consoles because they simply will not need to. Nintendo knows this. I know this. You should know it too. On top of that, those hardcore fans? They get smaller and smaller with every console Nintendo puts out (with the exception of the Wii U and DS, but I'll argue most of the people who bought those consoles were not Nintendo fans). Want to know where the fanbase is increasing? Home consoles. Looks like the PS4/X1/Wii U combined sales will be in excess of 200 million consoles. That appears to be far far bigger than the 70 millionish users that bought a 3DS and a Vita. huh... It's as if Nintendo actually took their home console seriously and made the NX home appealing to would-be buyers of PS4s and X1s, they might actually achieve Wii levels of sales. Imagine that.

Nintendo can *try* to turn the handheld around. I mean they won't but they can certainly try.  They won't, because at the end of the day  $200 NX portable and $30-$40 games that never seem to go down in price if they have in Nintendo's logo on them is *far* more expensive than a $100 tablet, and thousands and thousands of free games, and thousands more at less than $5. That's what Nintendo is competiting with, with tablets even cheaper than $100 coming. That is a battle they cannot win. The fact of the matter is that you can get a very similar experience to the 3DS on a smart phone, and for the vast majorty of potential market, that's "good enough". Maybe that's why the average 3DS owner owns less than 4 games  - they just don't think spending $40 on a 3DS game is worth it when they can get 15 games for the same price on their phone.

But keep thinking that Nintendo can repeat the Wii and DS. Nintendo has demonstrated with the Wii U and 3DS that even they don't know why those consoles were popular, much less know how to repeat that success. The Wii was an anomoly - a cheap console bought by Aunts and Grandparents so they could play Wii Sports, or Wii Fit, that was used for a few months and collected dust until the kids came over for a visit. The only reason that the attach rate didn't look so bad is that they kept bundling controllers, and peripherals with games when the bundles often cost $5-$10 more than the controller or perhiperal itself. Pretty easy choice. Think they can do it again? Well, I don't. That ship has sailed. Grandma learned her lesson from the Wii. Also, it seems to me like you're pretty confident that the NX home is going to be pretty similar to the WIi U, the worst selling Nintendo console of all time. I'm not sure how that's going to be appealing to the average person that bought the Wii, but I'm all ears to hear your ideas.

Also, Wii "stomped" the PS3 did it? Maybe you should look at their lifetime sales. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and as of right now the Wii has got a 15% lead and dropping. I'm sure when it's all said and done the Wii will still be outselling the PS3, but 15% sales  over #2 and 37% market share in a 3-way race is not a "stomping". On the otherhand, if you want to see an actual stomping, see the PS4's fall sales in the last year being higher than what the Wii U has done in three. Ouch.