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Dulfite on 03 February 2016
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Azuren said:
Dulfite said:

I will always use the Bible. If your trying to convince a Christian to not use the Bible that's not going to work. I love people too much, because God loves me first, to not share what the Bible says. And I'd much rather people read the scripture than my, or anyone else's words.

God existed before man. What sin is, is the opposite of God. Sin is the absence of holiness. When God first created man, HE didn't create us into sin. We put ourselves into sin on our own accord. We ate from the tree. We murdered our brother. We worshipped ridiculous idols and statues as if they were what truly created and loved us. We did all these sins. It isn't God's fault that we sinned, it's ours. If we sin, we cannot be in the prescence of God because sin is the absence of God. But what God did for us, out of the ultimate love for us, is provide a way for us to be reunited with HIM. All people have to do is truly believe Jesus Christ loves them and can save them and all they have to do is accept that salvation. Then, we grow in Christ for the rest of our lives (learning to love others more, learning to depend more on God for our needs, etc), but all we have to do to start that process is accept Christ. There is nothing cruel about someone saying, "Yea, God clearly loves me and I accept Jesus as the only being that can save me from my sin." Pride gets in the way for a lot of people (the vast majority of whom would probably not admit), but it's an incredibly simple thing to believe. It's not like you have to have any physical, emotiona, or spiritual pain or discomfort. On the contrary, once you are saved it is an immense weight lifted off of you (very noticible) that you didn't even realize was present before you were saved.

It's not a system that HE created. HE is the "system." HE is what we were created to blissfully be united with for all eternity. We are the ones that walked away from HIM and it's our own fault, not HIS. God desires all to come to HIM.

So you trust the written word of primitives unlikely to truly understand the intent and meaning of a non-linear being, and then repeatedly altered throughout one of history's darkest times for reasons that seemed to oddly benefit those in power? Good on you.

Preach all you want, but it doesn't answer the God Paradox. At the end of the day, God created everything from nothing. In this creation, he either messed up (which he apparently can't) and created a system that can damn the things he supposedly loves to eternal torment, OR he simply doesn't love us and would rather subjugate us the way a king subjugates serfs.

So answer me this: Is your god fallible, or is he apathetic?

I believe scripture is God breathed. God went through man to write it. I don't believe God would allow HIS word to be altered by man into anything that isn't true. If one accepts that God exists (which I do), and one accepts that God is all powerful (which I do), and one accepts that nothing that happens could ever alter what God has planned (which I do), then believing God's scripture is infallible is not difficult.

God isn't fallible or apathetic. Do you honestly believe I'd be talking to you, or even caring about my own existence or life if I thought otherwise? I mean, how depressing would it be to live life with no hope whatesoever? Why not just kill myself now and get it over with if I know hell is waiting for me? I do not believe either of those at all. Apathetic would be if HE didn't give us a way out of our condemnation. He gave us Jesus Christ, who died the worst death in history (way beyond just physical pain), despite not sinning once. And he didn't mess up. He gave humans brains to think for themselves and people chose to hurt themselves (by sinning and distancing themselves from God). We are a destructive race, but that doesn't mean God created us wrong. With choice comes temptation to do what isn't right, and we do that all the time. Praise be to God that HE gave us salvation through Jesus Christ, despite all the terrible things I do in my life.