Is God's existence objectively verifiable?

[Azuren]

Dulfite said:

Azuren said:

If God really existed and loved man so much, then he wouldn't have created a system that can have them go to hell. If he does exist, he's tyranical. And if that's the case, the only thing separating him from Kim Jong Un is he actually is a god.

 

Also, props to you for quoting the Bible in a thread that already called the Bible out.

I will always use the Bible. If your trying to convince a Christian to not use the Bible that's not going to work. I love people too much, because God loves me first, to not share what the Bible says. And I'd much rather people read the scripture than my, or anyone else's words.

God existed before man. What sin is, is the opposite of God. Sin is the absence of holiness. When God first created man, HE didn't create us into sin. We put ourselves into sin on our own accord. We ate from the tree. We murdered our brother. We worshipped ridiculous idols and statues as if they were what truly created and loved us. We did all these sins. It isn't God's fault that we sinned, it's ours. If we sin, we cannot be in the prescence of God because sin is the absence of God. But what God did for us, out of the ultimate love for us, is provide a way for us to be reunited with HIM. All people have to do is truly believe Jesus Christ loves them and can save them and all they have to do is accept that salvation. Then, we grow in Christ for the rest of our lives (learning to love others more, learning to depend more on God for our needs, etc), but all we have to do to start that process is accept Christ. There is nothing cruel about someone saying, "Yea, God clearly loves me and I accept Jesus as the only being that can save me from my sin." Pride gets in the way for a lot of people (the vast majority of whom would probably not admit), but it's an incredibly simple thing to believe. It's not like you have to have any physical, emotiona, or spiritual pain or discomfort. On the contrary, once you are saved it is an immense weight lifted off of you (very noticible) that you didn't even realize was present before you were saved.

It's not a system that HE created. HE is the "system." HE is what we were created to blissfully be united with for all eternity. We are the ones that walked away from HIM and it's our own fault, not HIS. God desires all to come to HIM.

So you trust the written word of primitives unlikely to truly understand the intent and meaning of a non-linear being, and then repeatedly altered throughout one of history's darkest times for reasons that seemed to oddly benefit those in power? Good on you.

Preach all you want, but it doesn't answer the God Paradox. At the end of the day, God created everything from nothing. In this creation, he either messed up (which he apparently can't) and created a system that can damn the things he supposedly loves to eternal torment, OR he simply doesn't love us and would rather subjugate us the way a king subjugates serfs.

So answer me this: Is your god fallible, or is he apathetic?