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Dulfite on 02 February 2016
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Azuren said:
Dulfite said:

God does not use Lucifer like that. The book of Job clearly shows that lucifer himself wants to persuade people away from God. I would encourage you to read this article. I didn't read the entire thing, but the stuff I did read was accurate and is too lengthy to copy/paste into this thread so here you go:

 

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And again, humans are the ones rejecting the hand of Christ. You can't say God is sending people to hell. Anyone who desires to be saved in Jesus Christ can be in this life. Those who don't wish to be saved by Jesus Christ are not forced to be. Regardless of what you believe now, there is no changing the eternal truth that God loves you and desires you.

If God really existed and loved man so much, then he wouldn't have created a system that can have them go to hell. If he does exist, he's tyranical. And if that's the case, the only thing separating him from Kim Jong Un is he actually is a god.

 

Also, props to you for quoting the Bible in a thread that already called the Bible out.

I will always use the Bible. If your trying to convince a Christian to not use the Bible that's not going to work. I love people too much, because God loves me first, to not share what the Bible says. And I'd much rather people read the scripture than my, or anyone else's words.

God existed before man. What sin is, is the opposite of God. Sin is the absence of holiness. When God first created man, HE didn't create us into sin. We put ourselves into sin on our own accord. We ate from the tree. We murdered our brother. We worshipped ridiculous idols and statues as if they were what truly created and loved us. We did all these sins. It isn't God's fault that we sinned, it's ours. If we sin, we cannot be in the prescence of God because sin is the absence of God. But what God did for us, out of the ultimate love for us, is provide a way for us to be reunited with HIM. All people have to do is truly believe Jesus Christ loves them and can save them and all they have to do is accept that salvation. Then, we grow in Christ for the rest of our lives (learning to love others more, learning to depend more on God for our needs, etc), but all we have to do to start that process is accept Christ. There is nothing cruel about someone saying, "Yea, God clearly loves me and I accept Jesus as the only being that can save me from my sin." Pride gets in the way for a lot of people (the vast majority of whom would probably not admit), but it's an incredibly simple thing to believe. It's not like you have to have any physical, emotiona, or spiritual pain or discomfort. On the contrary, once you are saved it is an immense weight lifted off of you (very noticible) that you didn't even realize was present before you were saved.

It's not a system that HE created. HE is the "system." HE is what we were created to blissfully be united with for all eternity. We are the ones that walked away from HIM and it's our own fault, not HIS. God desires all to come to HIM.