By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
Dulfite on 02 February 2016
Edit Thread
Aeolus451 said:
Dulfite said:

God does not use Lucifer like that. The book of Job clearly shows that lucifer himself wants to persuade people away from God. I would encourage you to read this article. I didn't read the entire thing, but the stuff I did read was accurate and is too lengthy to copy/paste into this thread so here you go:

 

here 

And again, humans are the ones rejecting the hand of Christ. You can't say God is sending people to hell. Anyone who desires to be saved in Jesus Christ can be in this life. Those who don't wish to be saved by Jesus Christ are not forced to be. Regardless of what you believe now, there is no changing the eternal truth that God loves you and desires you.

What happened to Job was just a bet between God and Lucifer over Job's loyality to God. God sent the limits of what Lucifer could do to Job and Lucifer did everything he was allowed to do. God uses Lucifer to tempt people in general otherwise what's the point of letting Lucifer have any influence over humans in the living world? Lucifer is not the source of sin but he was the first one to sin. What Lucifer can and can't do is determined by god unless the power dynamics between them isn't true at all. 

Oh don't give me that god isn't sending people to hell. God is the one that defines the rules and what he considers sin or what's punishable behavior. All humans have to do is cross the line and they are sent there for all eternity. A person doesn't even have to sin or do any action to cross that line. Simply not believing in god and living your life peacefully will get ya a permnant room in hell.  It's not that different than some tyrant king who demands you to bow and accept him as your king or you can just be tortured in some dungeon for as long as you live. Forced huh?

Man sins in his/her own flesh as well as from the devil, it isn't always caused by the devil/demons and it certainly isn't their responsibility (Eve could have said no to the devil's temptation to disobey God, just as Adam could have said no to Eve's temptation, just like we could say no to our temptations).

God isn't taking bets (this isn't Constantine the movie). The Old Testament is filled, constantly, with examples of people turning their backs on God, yet God being merciful and giving them ways and time to return to HIM. The New Testament is filled with instructions and commandments to love people, reflecting God's ultimate love for us through Jesus Christ. Jesus gets rebuked, beaten, mocked, chased, and crucified and HE never once attacked people in return or killed anyone. HE had to deal with (both physically and the weight of all our sins) more than you, me, and all the other billions of Christians could ever collectively deal with and yet HE still loved us enough to die for us, to do for me, and to die for you.

We are born into sin and God gives you a choice of being reborn into righteousness through Jesus Christ. Nothing you say or think of will change the fact that God loves you and desires you to be saved. Bowing to a "tyrant" king is uncomfortable, at best, and is more than likely a terrible experience, if he is truly a tyrant. You will don't realize (hopefully you will one day) how wonderful it feels (spiritually, physically, emotionally, etc.) to be saved. People don't get saved to feel good, but with salvation comes a love for God and a love for HIS creation (us) and also with it comes an increasing peace that passes anything I could or ever did imagine as a non-believer before I knew Christ.