Is God's existence objectively verifiable?

[Scoobes]

Frank_kc said:

nuckles87 said:

But you aren't stating facts. You're just demonstrating your ignorance of them. XD

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but I'll list out the flaws in your argument:

1. The problem isn't that we cannot SEE God. The problem is that we have no means of detecting him.

2. We have tools that can detect and measure frequencies. We know that pain is something that we detect via pain receptors in our nerves. And we CAN actually "see" electricity. I mean, that's what lightning is, among other things. But we know electricity is there because we have a means of detecting it and utilizing it in every day life.

3. Yes, it would be irrational to think that TVs, cars, and planes built themselves....because we know we built them. We know how to make them. We know the names of the people who played a role in inventing them. We know what parts go into them.

4. But we cannot say the same for God. We have no means of detecting God. We don't know where God is. What God is. God, unlike all of these things, exists COMPLETELY outside of the realm of science and the physical world.

5. I'm gonna ask a question here: why DOES a universe as complex as ours absolutely NEED a creator?

6. Corn. You know corn, right? You know what it looks like? Before native americans utilized genetic selection to change it into what it is today, it used to look like this: http://www.ars.usda.gov/sp2UserFiles/ad_hoc/36222000DiverseMaizeResearch/images/teoF1earzone.JPG

Of course, this happened over thousands of years. Real evolution that leads to the sort of biodiversity we have today takes millions of years.

7. Actually, birds are dinosaurs.

8. Actually, changing an environment does change a species. A polar bear is not the same species as a black bear or a sun bear. They all belong to the same family (ursidae) but genetically they are each distinct species. A polar bear evolved to survive arctic temperatures. Black bears evolved to survive in temperate, seasonal environments. Sunbears evolved to live in tropical rain forests.

9. Finally, I just want to say that evolution being a theory is the same thing as gravity being a theory. Understanding evolution is a fundemental part of modern biological science. It's how we have been genetically modifying plants and animals through artificial selection for thousands of years. It plays a critical part in our understanding of DNA. It is evident throughout the genes of all living organisms (see the above link about the bird with the dino snout) and throughout our planet's fossil record.  What's more, we've observed evolution in real time on the microbial level.

In other words, there is far more evidence for evolution, than for the idea that every living organism on planet earth was created exactly as it exists now 5000 years ago.

 

 

1- The facts that you cant detect him, again, doesnt mean that he doesnt exist. We have signs of his existence. It is very simple, who decided to have a magnetic fields around earth to protect it?  Science? Nature? or some one else? why is the shape of earth is not flat? who decided that? The science you use to defend your theories, was created by some one or did just came out of no where?

2- Check point 1

3- If you know who built cars, planes. etc...how would you explain existence of our universe with its precise system, rules  and controls. did just come up for no where?

5- Because there is no system that can create it self. Why do we need an air traffic controller in an airport, it is a complex system, it can run it self by it self.......! Didnt we need to have a creator for an air traffic control system to ensure safety of flights?

6- It is still a corn, didn it evolve to something else like an apple? How would you now that it takes millions of years? do yo u have any proof? or is it all theories and assumptions by humans?

7- Dont tell this to any one so that you wouldnt look stupid. Many creatures have skulls and bones and skeletons, and some similarities can exist in some creatures.

8- Actually, your example destroys your evolution theory. A bear it is still a bear, it only adjusted to its environment or surroundings. It didn’t evolve to something else like a Tiger for example.

 

9- We are taking about things evolving naturally based on your theories and not genetic changes made by humans.

1 & 2: You're inferring existence from something that could be completely unrelated and jumping to conclusions.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magearth.html

God doesn't need to be present for the Earth's magnetic fields to happen. Whilst all the other phenomena you mentioned can actually be reliably measured and detected. You saying "god must have done it" doesn't actually make it so, it just means you haven't researched the topic fully.

3- No, potentially everything has always existed. Or the simple answer is we don't know. You're the one assuming that there is a creator or that there has to be one. Why?

5- So who created God?

6- We have the fossil records of the gradual changes, we have massive GB of DNA databases that show the evolution of different organisms over time. The databases and the principles of evolution are actually used in labs to create and manufacture Biopharmaceuticals to help treat disease. If evolution didn't exist then a number of treatments wouldn't exist either as we would never have been able to create them. 

7- These are tracked through time so you can actually track the evolution.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12052-009-0133-4

Denying this just makes you look ignorant.

8- No, a polar bear isn't just a bear in the same way a Tiger isn't a Lion. They share a common ancestor, but they're completely different species. You may need to lookup the definition of a species.

9- If evolution didn't exist then humans wouldn't be able to make these genetic changes as fast as we have done. Scientists use the priciples of evolution as tools to speed up process of genetic modification. You can deny it, but it's as ridiculous as someone saying gravity doesn't exist.