JWeinCom said:
Dulfite said:
I am a Christian that believes in God, however I would just like to focus on one thing that I've considered for years. It is something that was not required for me to have faith (my faith preceded this understanding by years/decades).
Imagine not existing. Can you do it? I'm not asking you to imagine dying, I'm talking about imagine ceasing to exist. Now, if you will one day cease to exist entirely, would you even remember this present time that your in right now? Now some may argue "well it's the present and I'm in existence, not the future when I won't be, so of course my memory is still working" but let me ask you, does someone who loses all their memory feel like they were alive before they "woke up" (if you will)? No. So why would it be any different for anyone else that loses all their memory (ceases to exist, in this case, after death)? If, one day, we all are destined to not exist, then none of us would have comprehension of our own existence like we do now.
Self-awareness is one of the key objective pieces to the concept of the divine.
I also look at the universe. How likely is it that something came from nothing compared to God making something come from nothing? That's like comparing me exhaling my breath in winter (seeing it) to my breath just randomly appearing there for no reason at all without me or anything else causing it to appear.
If I hadn't read the Bible and accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I certainly would have not been an atheist because there is just too much ridiculously coincidental things that have happened in existence (including self-awareness and existence itself) that have no reason for being around if there isn't some kind of divine being running the show, if you will.
People always argue that the Big Bang happened from a single thing/atom, but how? How was that single atom there to begin with? Where did it come from? Nothing? That doesn't make any sense.
But if you put God into the equation, it makes a whole lot more sense for something to come from nothing. |
How likely is it that something came from nothing? How could you possibly determine that? Like... what kind of probability equations can you give?
As for the big bang, you do not understand the theory. The big bang does not state that the universe came from a single atoms. It states that the universe came from ALL of the atoms compressed into a singularity.
Where the atoms came from is still a mystery. There are physicists who believe the universe is eternal, and also those who think that universes just kind of come into existence naturally. And while that may sound silly to you, there is math behind these theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbsGYRArH_w
Putting god into the equation certainly makes intuitive sense. The same way that Zeus throwing lightning bolts made more intuitive sense to people with no knowledge of electricity than the actually phenomena. That's why we have myths in the first time. However the simplest and most intuitive answer isn't the correct one.
Besides, where exactly did god come from then? How likely is it that an omniscient, omnipotent being came out of nothing?
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Lighting isn't the building blocks of existence itself, though, so it's not really comparable. And I've heard the eternal thing (the one where the universe expands into nothingness, then retracts and starts all over again, again and again, right?), but if that were true why did it start doing that? Why is there anything? Why is there nothing? No amount of math can prove why there is something instead of nothing. None of us can even comprehend nothing, truly.
As for where did God come from, HE didn't. HE was and is and will always be there. That is my Christian belief, based on faith. I can't explain it to you. It's a faith thing. I wrestled with the logic against it long ago, and my faith in God came out victorious and now, years/decades later, nothing else even makes sense to me. Having Christ changes you and changes your perspective, but it's not something that someone who doesn't have Christ can understand fully, so me trying to explain it would be futile. It's just something people have to experience themselves, they can't understand it with their brains alone.
