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Soundwave on 09 January 2016
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thismeintiel said:
Soundwave said:
sabvre42 said:

Actually the force IS just that. Its essentially martial arts mastery. The user through intense training, mediation, and control learns how to channel the force to do their bidding.

They do not just hit puberty and have the ability to manipulate the universe instantly.

 

So where does Anakin's training come from. He's the only human who can race pods at like 500 mph? Forget puberty he's already doing amazing things in grade freaking school. He meditated and was taught to do this? 

In martial arts I can train for 10 minutes and then be able to win a fight with my eyes closed? This is basically what Luke does. He saves the galaxy, special trainnig my ass. Even the the time line for this is wildly inconsistent, in Empire he's shown to be basically a novice Jedi, he trains with Yoda for what is basically like ... one week? Two weeks? Then ROTJ is six whopping months later and now he's basically a "master" who can beat Darth Vader fairly easily. 

And no, the Force isn't "martial arts mastery" and it's certainly the lay-man's "nerds" version of martial arts (ie: the guys who think martial arts "power" is represented by belt color). 

Those are people who are too into the freaking video games and dorky Dungeons & Dragons aspect of the franchise. 

So wait...You're having problems with Luke training with one of the most powerful Jedis for a few weeks, then perfecting what he has learned for 6 months, and defeating Darth Vader (who the OG trilogy never made out to be Jedi Jesus), yet are excusing someone learning top level Jedi powers on her own in a couple of days?  Yea, that's consistent.

Also, don't call people dorks when you're posting on a video game sales forum.  Not even just a video game forum, but a freaking sales site.  That's probably one of the dorkiest things ever.  We're all dorks here.

 

I think you're missing the point. I'm saying ALL of that stuff is wildly inconsistent, singling out Rey for doing it is silly if you're willing to give Anakin and Luke a pass. 

This is a fairly basic character fantasy archetype in storytelling anyway, acting like JJ Abrams some how invented it for this film is incredibly silly. 

The "dorks" analogy is more about a portion of the Star Wars fan base that tries to quantify everything in the movies to some kind of "level" so that it makes sense to them, because the concept of the Force is too mystical/spirtual (and in a sense they miss the damn point). The original conception of the Force straight from A New Hope is:

Ben Kenobi: Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.

Luke Skywalker: You mean it controls your actions?

Kenobi: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.

He doesn't say:

Kenobi: It's like a video game where you need to power-up to learn how to do all types of crazy things like Force pushes, Force jumps, mind-tricks, have giant Jedi boner. One day Luke you'll be a platinum belt Jedi! But it will take years and years of training". 

What Obi-Wan says in the original Star Wars falls well in line with The Force Awakens.