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Soundwave on 09 January 2016
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thismeintiel said:
Soundwave said:
sabvre42 said:

Actually the force IS just that. Its essentially martial arts mastery. The user through intense training, mediation, and control learns how to channel the force to do their bidding.

They do not just hit puberty and have the ability to manipulate the universe instantly.

 

So where does Anakin's training come from. He's the only human who can race pods at like 500 mph? Forget puberty he's already doing amazing things in grade freaking school. He meditated and was taught to do this? 

In martial arts I can train for 10 minutes and then be able to win a fight with my eyes closed? This is basically what Luke does. He saves the galaxy, special trainnig my ass. Even the the time line for this is wildly inconsistent, in Empire he's shown to be basically a novice Jedi, he trains with Yoda for what is basically like ... one week? Two weeks? Then ROTJ is six whopping months later and now he's basically a "master" who can beat Darth Vader fairly easily. 

And no, the Force isn't "martial arts mastery" and it's certainly the lay-man's "nerds" version of martial arts (ie: the guys who think martial arts "power" is represented by belt color). 

Those are people who are too into the freaking video games and dorky Dungeons & Dragons aspect of the franchise. 

So wait...You're having problems with Luke training with one of the most powerful Jedis for a few weeks, then perfecting what he has learned for 6 months, and defeating Darth Vader (who the OG trilogy never made out to be Jedi Jesus), yet are excusing someone learning top level Jedi powers on her own in a couple of days?  Yea, that's consistent.

Also, don't call people dorks when you're posting on a video game sales forum.  Not even just a video game forum, but a freaking sales site.  That's probably one of the dorkiest things ever.  We're all dorks here.

I don't have any problems with any of it. That's my point. The Force is a mystical concept and Rey is very obviously some type of "chosen one" (ie: Neo in the Matrix, Luke in the OT, Anakin kind of in the prequels, Harry Potter in the Harry Potter movies). These characters basically all have "latent" abilities that make them tremendously special and can do things with no/little training that other characters in their universe would needs years to do or will never be able to do. 

This is fairly basic character archetype that's used over and over again. If you're going to single out one and pick on it, then you have to pick on your other so-called sacred cows too. 

And I very clearly laid out several examples in the OT and PT of unbelievable, silly things that can happen to characters with little/no training, so please spare me the "oh it's only The Force Awakens that does this!". Hardly. 

Which leads to believe that maybe some of the sexism claims may have merit. If Rey had a penis and looked like this:

Typical male sci-fi "desert scavenger bad-ass"

I doubt this is even half the uproar. I do think it is a stick up some people's asses that it happens to be a young woman character that's cast in the role they traditionally would assume or associate with a man and that's part of the problem they have with it at some level. Rey is a "girl" who is too powerful and too masculine and it has to be explained to them, especially because she makes a fool of the "bad ass" male character at the end of the film (never mind that he's clearly not trying to kill her).