The Force Awakens sucks! *MAJOR SPOILERS*

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DakonBlackblade said:

Kylo is not sure how he feels troughout the whole freking movie, were you even watching. Snoke is obviously manipulaitng him, Kylo keeps forcing himself to do a lot of stuf, he even kills Ham because Snoke told itd stop "the pull of the light" (not with this words but thats whats implied) as Kylo calls it himself. Also no one ever said Kylo created the Knights of Ren, its more likely that Snoke did, this is purely speculaion, but I believe Snoke got to Kylo, seduced him and some other young jedis, gave them some basic training and made them kill the other jedis when Luke was away or something, I find it very ahrd ot believe Luke wouldnt have bested Kylo and his gooms if he was around (that scene with Luke touching R2 that Rey sees, seens ot be Luke seing the carnage/destruction resulted from that).

She resists him and is able to get something form him as a result, she doesnt use a mind read herself. The original Star Wars was kinda suposed to be stadalone, or at least to give a conclusive story if no other movie ever came out, Lucas and everyone else tought itd fail terribly, FA isnt suposed to be standalone at all, if you explain everything than the trilogy would feel all disconected and nothing like 1 continuous story at all, in every great film and book series there are always stuf left unexplained on the earlier chapters of the tale. Even with this fact Star Wars had unexplained stuff, we know very little about the empire and the emperor, we dont even know who the fck Darth Vader realy is. Ppl anal;yse a lot in retrospect to say Star Wars had nothign unexplained on it.

No, I did not watch the move.  I have no idea who this Ham guy is that you keep talking about.  Okay, so let's say that the Knights of Ren were created by Snoke.  Kylo Ren was implied to have led the Knights into Luke's temple and destroy it.  It scares Luke enough to the point where he goes into hiding.  This is another problem.  Why doesn't Luke just kick the crap out of his student if he is such a novice as so many are claiming?  Oh, Luke must've been off you say.  Now you're just making stuff up to fit your argument as you have throughout this thread.  Wouldn't Luke have returned and whooped him.   This might have happened.  That might have happened.  You're basically telling me that you understand everything better than I do about this movie because your imagination works.

You're right in a way.  TFA isn't supposed to be a standalone movie.  It's part 7 in a series.  There has been a gap between of about 30 years between VI an VII.  What does it tell us happened in those 30 years?  Wait.  Let's see... Pretty much nothing.