The Force Awakens sucks! *MAJOR SPOILERS*

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Carl2291 said:

amp316 said:

Oh, and Kylo Ren is by far the weakest main villain in the entire series.  At first I really thought that they were on to something with a sinister and powerful force wielder that was prone to temper tantrums.  Turns out that he isn't a bad ass at all.  In fact, he can be defeated in a lightsaber duel by someone that has zero training.  And I also wasn't too impressed with Supreme Leader Snoke or whatever his name was...

 

I just want to pick up on this part of your OP with a few points of my own. The whole Kylo being weak thing is not exactly a con on his character. It's deliberate.

 

• At 3 different parts of the film we are shown how immature he is compared to the likes of Vader, Maul, Dooku or Sidious with his lightsaber tantrums and Rey slapping him down on how insignificant he is compared to Vader.
• At the end of the film, we are told that he has yet to finish his training. We are told directly that he isn't at the level of his predecessors.
• During the fight with Finn and Rey, you have to look at a bigger picture of what just happened. He killed his own father and was shot in the gut by Chewbacca's ultra-powerful Bowcaster. Not only is he emotionally unstable at that point, but the guy has a hole punched right into his stomach. He's bleeding out.

 

Actually, after my second viewing of the film I noticed that not only is he injured during the fight but he's playing with Finn all the way up until Finn gets the lucky shot in. Kylo knocks him to the floor and lets him get up. He pins him up against the tree to torture him with the cross-guard. He was punishing Finn until he got caught. As soon as Finn gets the lucky swipe, Kylo pushed his shit in. After this, he isn't actually trying to kill Rey. He's trying to recruit her. 

Kylo is third to Vader and Sidious when it comes to just how good they are, because his character actually has significant development. He's trying to live up to what Vader was, yet knows he can't leave that ever looming shadow of his grandfather.

 

Okay then.  Tell me how Kylo can stop a laser blast early in the movie but lets Chewie nail him with his bowgun while letting out a loud Wookie yell?  I know.  You'll tell me something about how he just killed his Daddy or something.

You really think that he's third to Vader and Sidious?  How about Darth Maul?  The mysterious dark warrior that held his own with two Jedi and actually killed one of them.  How about Dooku?  The guy that could cause avalanches or shoot lighting out of his fingertips using the force?  I would also place Dark Helmet over him he was was the obvious inspiration for Kylo's character.