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Soundwave on 30 December 2015
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amp316 said:
Soundwave said:
amp316 said:

Yes, Episode VII was Lucas' idea.  He gave Disney his original stories for VII through IX to show what happened next in his universe.  Disney said , " Screw it!  Let's just make a movie for the "fans".

 

No they opted to make a movie that brought back the fun nature of the original movie that appealled to non-nerds. Everyone saw the first Star Wars when it came out, grandparents, stoner rock girls, jocks, not just comic book nerds.

That's the thing with Star Wars is the "fans" are all obsessed with geeky details like what's the relationship of the Empire/Republic and what are politics of it, what's a Super Star Destroyer vs. a Star Destroyer, what can a Jedi do versus what he can't do, etc. etc. ... here's a newflash ... the general public never gave a shit about any of that. 

Star Wars was always about fun, likable characters in a mythic, fairy tale like space opera, but it was about those characters first and foremost. Their struggles, their joys, their fear, their friendships. The rest of it was just window dressing. 

Somewhere along the way, George Lucas forgot this, and started making movies more focused on the politics, midichorlians, cartoon rabbits stepping in space dog shit, power levels, trade blockades, and all the other dull stuff and pushed the characters into the background. 

Nobody quotes any line from the prequels (unless it's to mock them), because none of the characters are relatable or likable in any way. But people constantly quote the OT all the time. 

And there you have it.  You just admitted that this film isn't for the real fans (comic book nerds as you call them), but for the general public. 

Oh, and please give me a quote from the new movie.  Maybe a joke by Finn?  Those were hilarious, huh?  Cool non-nerds love that stuff.  Indestructible women that can do everything and anything without effort or even a bit of struggle are hip too.  It's a sign of the times I guess...  I'm far to dorky get it or this super cool movie filled to brim with pure unadulterated awesomeness.  Time to make that my first issue of The New Mutants is still in mint condition.

The film is for everyone, but it doesn't bog down like the prequels do. George at some point forgot he was making movies for human beings and just got absorbed into the mythology rather than understanding things like "who's my protagonist in this movie? Do I even have one?", "why am I having Jar-Jar step in poop?", "do I have an antgonist in this movie that pushes the plot forward?". etc. etc. etc. 

And sure Finn was a well done character, and yes he had several funny lines in the movie that actually got a laugh, unlike Jar-Jar in Episode I or actually probably even worse C-3PO in Clones is just terribly bad writing. He's funny, he's brave, and he brings a lot of energy to the movie, he's the basic "window" character that most fantasy films have. 

My favorite lines were from Han Solo, who was written absolutely spot on in this film, this is Harrison Ford's best performance in this type of film since like '89's The Last Crusade if not before that. "It's true ... all of it" was a great line, but the one I really loved was when he says "you got bigger problems kid, women can always tell you're lying". I love that he played the role unlike the "grumpy grandpa" Harrison Ford that we've seen lately this movie reminds you why this guy was a huge movie star.  Stuff like that just worked, those lines just felt more like real actual human beings talking than the prequels where it was so painful watching actors like Natalie Portman and Sam Jackson, who are legitimately good actors, stumble around like they were in a 7th grade play (A Sith ... Lord? .... I'm .... Ron ... Burgundy? ... like who the fuck talks like this?).