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Kotastic on 19 December 2015
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Kai_Mao said:
Kotastic said:
What are you talking about? This is definitely the year of Melee the whole way through. Sure tensions aren't that bad compared to Brawl/Melee era, but Melee's scene is stronger than it ever was its entire lifespan, and Smash 4 isn't gonna change that. You guys should check out the Smashboards threads really, none of you guys I recognize actually follow both competitive scenes enough.

Does Smash 4 have a MiOM equivalent? Has it ever broke 100k views in twitch? Was there a single Salty Suite match more hype than Melee's Salty Suite matches? Did it ever have a prize pool bigger than 30k? Does Smash 4 has the legacy of Melee with it's legendary moments such as DaShizWiz vs. M2K and the Wombo Combo? The only thing I can say that Smash 4 has over Melee is consistent YouTube content, but that's only a natural advantage of being fresh. Soon, as soon as the next Smash game releases, Smash 4 will lose that advantage.

I've even heard from many friends, casual and competitive, more times have I heard from them that they prefer watching Melee over Smash 4 simply because Melee is a way better spectator sport than Smash 4.

Again, Melee has had a pretty good amount of time shaping up as the competitive game it is known today. Smash 4 hasn't really got a chance to show what it could do once everything is done and over with (i.e., updates, DLC, etc.). Sure, you can say that Smash 4 should've grown faster due to the times we live in now, but it is still growing. Players are finding more things to discover in Smash 4, especially with new patches that have made characters like Ike, DK, and Meta Knight more viable in tournament play. Heck, Cloud just got released and we will get Corrin and Bayonetta in February so who knows what they could do competitively. Smash 4 almost has about 1000 entrants for January's Genesis 3. Yeah, a far cry from 1700 entrants for Melee, but its nothing to scoff about.

If I recall, the Wombo Combo was huge back in 2008, seven years since Melee's release. Who knows what could happen with Smash 4 if you give it another 2 or 3 years. So yeah, the legacy of Melee cannot be matched, especially since Smash 4 just passed it's first year anniversary and production with DLC will finally be done around February 2016. 15 years to 1 year, its no contest. No one can dispute that.

However, there is a chance that Smash 4 can still grow with a more respectable scene. We don't even know when the next Smash game will be developed since Sakurai and his team are about to disband once they completed all the DLC. It'll probably take 4-5 years before we even hear of anything related to a new Smash game. Sakurai and his team needs a vacation after all the development they went through. Furthermore, we don't know who could possibly take the mantle if Sakurai were to leave Smash 4 as his last in the series.

Btw, another advantage I can give Smash 4 is online. Yeah, the set-ups are probably more suitable for Japanese players, but it still provides casual and hardcore players options. I felt like I can improve against those online, even though I am not that good in Smash.

I don't know what your response has to do with anything other than the fact that you're supporting that Melee has a better competitive scene regardless of the circumstance (which Melee had it harder). And let's be real here, updates won't really impact Smash 4 that much to the point where it's a radically different game. 

As to the legacy of Melee, I guess I should've referred more to this year's Apex salty suite, where the 5-0 krillindude vs. Leffrieza and Ken vs PC Chris matches were legendary, whereas Smash 4 has nothing to compare to that.