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Nuvendil on 29 November 2015
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Ali_16x said:
Nuvendil said:

Dude, you aren't getting what he's saying.  You misread.  He didn't say that "I like Skittles" wasn't subjective.  He said that *the amount of information* represented in it isn't subjective.  I like Skittles only involves the flavors, textures, and colors of the candy and your preference for them.  That is an objective, quantifiable amount of data that can be discussed.  The opinion about that book deals with a whole host of ideas, another quantifiable number of discussion points.

 

Also, he said that he disagreed with the need for this thread, not the contents.  And the point about more threads and popularity has to do with saturation of the forums.  There's already going to be numerous topics flooding the forums next week, do we really need even more, less substantial topics clogging the forums further.

 

You calling him a complete liar is only making yourself look foolish.  Take the time to read and process before throwing around aggressive ad hominem attacks and trying to pick a fight.


You're right I did misread what he said about skittles, I did not understand what he meant until you said it. However, everything else, I don't.

How do the needs and contents not go together? He disagreed with the need for the thread because of the contents, they go hand in hand. That's the point he's been making the whole time, that the contents of the thread are not valuable or worthy of a thread. He also argued that there was no need for this thread because it would be getting to many threads because it's about to release, which is normal considering this happens for every game.

All the OP has been saying is he finds the game to be confusing because it's an JRPG and it's his first. And it seems like he wants people to change his mind and understand what an JRPG is, and that's what people are doing. JWein is saying that it's not worthy of of thread because of the reasons the OP gave, but that's his opinion. And I said you could say any opinion thread like this is not worthy because there are people who could find it not worthy and that's their opinion. And he's being a hypocrite by saying that this thread should not have been made because he personally did not find it worthy. However, he implies a book which he finds is interesting should have a topic and not be closed because it's his opinion but of course there are people who don't find it interesting and can say what I've said from the first post, for any opinion thread, you can say that a thread should not have been made because they personally did not find it interesting. The same can be said about all books, some find it interesting and some don't.

And it's funny you're saying I'm trying to pick a fight, which I wasn't, you seem to be the only one trying to pick a fight with your last sentences.

You called him a liar, that's far from civil words.

 

And there is a difference in disagreeing with content and disagreeing with substance of said content.  For example, I do very much like Skittles.  However, if someone started a thread called "I like skittles," I would not agree that that's a thread-worthy topic.   That opinion just can't go anywhere really.  The substance of what is said is just not sufficient.  Which is what he is getting at:  you can't quantify correctness, you can quantify substance.  Some opinions and ideas are more substantial, are of greater consequence than others.  To get a bit philosophical, my opinion on colors has little bearing on world view and prompts little discussion.  My opinion about the human condition has enormous ramifications for my world view and can easily prompt a very lengthy discussion.  

 

And it's not about interest either.  You can find an opinion uninteresting and yet that opinion have a high degree of substance.  I'm not a huge fan of Nietzsche, but the opinions and theories of Nietzsche are still more substantial than my opinion on how cool 50s Corvettes look.  Because despite my interest in Corvettes, there's just more points of discussion and more ramifications to be found in Nietzsche.  And my disinterest doesn't change that.  So I have every right and reason to not participate in a Nietzsche thread but no right to claim it should be closed for lack of usefulness.

And this is a forum, a site built based on prolonged discussions, which means that new threads have a standard they have to meet in terms of the potential for that kind of discussion.  What he is saying is that just stating that you think x game is too hard/easy/complicated/etc and then leaving it off at that does not meet that standard.  And threads of insufficient substance are closed to prevent excessive clogging.