How Will the Terrorist Attacks in Paris Impact the Refugee Crisis?

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Machina said:

 

Why do people always say this whenever I make a political or religious point they disagree with. My job on the site has nothing to do with politics or religion. My status as an Admin is utterly irrelevant.

You sound just as bad as Fox, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, so no I don't trust you. A quick google search shows immigrants account for 61% of reported rapes in Sweden, with those from the Middle East and Africa being 20 times more likely to commit rape than those born in Sweden, and those are the stats they're willing to publish. Here's a good rebuttal of the 'it's all because of better reporting' argument.

One of the worst cases occurred in 2012, when a 30-year old woman was raped by eight men in a housing project for asylum seekers, in the small town of Mariannelund. The woman was an acquaintance of a man from Afghanistan who had lived in Sweden for a number of years. He invited her to go out with him. She obliged. The Afghan man took her to a refugee housing project and left her defenseless. During the night, she was raped repeatedly by the asylum seekers and when her "friend" returned, he raped her too. The following morning she managed to call the police. Sweden's public prosecutor has called the incident "the worst crime of rape in Swedish criminal history."

In cases of gang rape, culprits and victims are most often young and in almost every case, the perpetrators are of immigrant background, mostly from Muslim countries. In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists. Several times the courts have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted sex with six, seven or eight men.

You'd feel comfortable going into the heart of a non-Muslim no-go area in Sweden? What about filming in one, because even this fairly benign video from someone who appears to be on your side of the spectrum says otherwise. I certainly wouldn't feel safe entering a Muslim area of the UK like Tower Hamlets. If I was a woman I'd feel even less safe about doing so.

You have a similar problem to us and you seem to perfectly illustrate it - a political class and set of organisations that simply will not acknowledge that there's even a problem for fear of being accused of being racist. But it's not a race, it's religion, and one with very violent teachings and some particularly abhorrent cultural beliefs, even amongst 'moderates'(1)(2)(3).

It's why over 1,400 children, CHILDREN, were allowed to be raped by predominantly Muslim gangs over a period of several years in just one town in the UK. The authorities turned a blind eye and allowed it to happen - and those are the kids we know about. It's not(1) an(2) isolated case(3), there are several examples in the past year from different towns and cities. You'll notice the euphemism 'Asian' is used for Muslim in most of those articles, which only furthers the confusion between race and religion that helps perpetuate the problem (and which I would find deeply offensive if I were Asian). It's such a damn controversial issue, but I shouldn't be - the protection of children and women from sexual abuse must be allowed to trump religious sensibilities.

But no. No problem whatsoever. Nothing to see here guys. Religion of peace and rainbows, etc.

I live in Gothenburg. Although not as immigrant-heavy as Malmö, there are areas with large muslim populations like Hisingen and I've went there to visit friends lots of times. Most of the violence comes from the criminal gangs, and they usually kill members from rival gangs. Sure I wouldn't walk the streets of Hisingen at night if I could avoid it but I've been there. A friend of mine was prevented from driving through at night because armoured police were doing an operation, so stuff does happen over there.

I wouldn't trust anything coming from sweden confidential (nowadays called Exponerat). You live in the UK so I'll grant you that you probably. don't know which sites are infamous in sweden but that site is particularly bad. It, along with "avpixlat" and some other sites are known neo nazi propaganda sites. They're always spewing out Anders Breivik level stuff.

https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800012697/2005_17_brottslighet_bland_personer_fodda_sverige_och_utlandet.pdf
This is from BRÅ. An actual government organization that does these statistics. It has an english summary at the end. Its conclusion is that being an immigrant increases the chances of committing a crime by about 2.5. Among those crimes, violent crimes like rape are overepresented but it's nothing like the numbers you get from hate sites like avpixlat or exponerat.

Again, there is a problem with culture clashes when it comes to integration, but how are we supposed to judge people? We became tolerant toward homosexuality only about a decade ago yet now people point their finger at muslims for holding views similar to what was once mainstream in Europe. Their countries havent's had the same developments so they're obviosly gonna bring some horrific views with them. But most adapt to us, and not the other way around. Numbers back this. Islam is not the only religion with horrific holy verses. The bible is soaked in blood. The difference is that we're ahead of the curve when it comes to leaving that stuff behind. Not all muslims are the same, just like all with the christians.

The point I'm trying to get to is this. Should we at all let in people fleeing for their lives from war zones?  And should we discriminate when it comes to religions? I answer those with a no, because I think we can afford compassion. Then when we have these people here should we act like they are all criminals and push them out or should we try to integrate them? I think we should, and can integrate them. Because I believe in the power of our secular ideals, and I believe in humanity.