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Barozi on 07 November 2015
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Aura7541 said:
Barozi said:

You forgot that
a) not all of them were released during the same month
September has 5 weeks, October 4 weeks and November 4 weeks.
b) none of them were released on the same day

Halo 3 came out on the 25th Sep. = 12 days
Halo Reach on the 14th Sep. = 19 days
Halo 4 on the 6th Nov. = 24 days
Halo 5 on the 27th Oct. = 5 days

So from what I gathered, Halo 3 did 3.3m in 12 days, Halo Reach 3.3m in 19 days, Halo 4 3.2m(?) in 24 days.

hardly fair to say that a game with 2x the US weekly sales, 4x the US weekly sales and 5x the US weekly sales did more than a game with 5 days of WW sales, especially when that series is so US heavy.

The problem is that Halo 5 is facing stiff competition from Black Ops 3 and Battlefront, both of which are multiplayer-focused FPS'es. Abdiel has commented that Halo 5 vanished when Black Ops 3 launched (which isn't long after Halo 5's launch) and Battlefront is coming out on the 17th.

Also, Halo 3 took more than 1.7 million preorders before it officially launched, so the game sold 1.7+ million Day 1. That's more than 1.4 - 1.5 million in 5 days. After Halo 4 launched, Microsoft's PR commented on how Halo 4 surpassed Halo 3. It's not unreasonable to assume that Halo 4 also sold a similar amount on Day 1.

First I always said that Halo 3 is unmatched by any other Halo, so this shouldn't come as a surprise. Then I never said that Halo 4 didn't sell more than Halo 5 during the same time. I said that they are much closer in sales than what you tried to make it look like by doing that NPD to WW comparison with completely different time frames etc..

Yet again you make a simple numbers comparison but leave out all the details around it. 1.4m-1.5m doesn't include digital sales and apparently no bundles either, while the MS source does (while keeping in mind that digital sales for all previous Halos were 0 at launch).
Furthermore who says that MS didn't already include HW revenue in the Halo 4 press statement when comparing its revenue to Halo 3? Or how many special editions of Halo 4 were sold compared to Halo 3 and 5 since that changes revenue a lot but not unit sales. There's no way to know.

What I'm saying is, comparing pre-orders of game x to physical sales of game y to revenue of game z is not a good way to try to make a point.


Halo 5 is selling less than the previous few, sure but that's kinda normal for the first entry in a new generation. Doesn't mean it didn't do well, doesn't mean that Halo 6 can't do more, doesn't mean that Halo 5 can't go on and have legs since the console has easily 5+ years left.