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potato_hamster on 22 October 2015
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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
Nintyfan90 said:
midrange said:


You're original post mentioned that your list would provide a consistent stream of new releases. I responded thinking that the "consistent stream" you talk about is laughable at best for third party games that span over 2 consoles.

If those are the TYPES of games that the NX has to rely on for third party, then the NX is in trouble. I'm not arguing that the list you gave was inferior to anything, I'm arguing that the NX needs a larger list with larger titles that are not limited to indie games or TV/movie to video game adaptations.

That list is literally missing an entire demographic (say age 13 and up), and it is also missing critical games for its target demographic (minecraft and rocket league)

I would use that list as an indicator that Nintendo needs to change something up or risk another wii u failure

I'll try to explain to you what he's saying. The point isn't to attract 3rd parties, the point is making it easier for Ninty to support. Ninty had done a pretty good job supporting the 3DS but it could obviously be better if they could shift the Wiius resources towards it as well. The healthy stream of games would come from Ninty alone. Any 3rd party support is just gravy, especially the Japanese 3rd party support Ninty receives. WiiU like failure is practically impossible with just Pokemon alone.

That's all fine and dandy for Nintendo to make a console that makes it easier for Nintendo to put Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles. The problem is that there are less and less and less people that are willing to buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.

If Nintendo keeps serving their own, and not even bothering to try to have any type of appeal outside of diehard Nintendo fans that buy all of their stuff anywyas, they're doomed.

Not all Nintendo games appeal to the same people, the way u talk is as if all Nintendo fans are just one set group of people with the same opinions/tastes as one another, that's not how it works. If that were the case than all Nintendo games would share similar sales.

If Nintendo devices were only purchased by diehard Nintendo fans than why did Codename STEAM completely bomb, shouldn't it have been a multimillion seller? Why did Kirby Rainbow Curse, Mario Party 10 and Splatoon all have different levels of sales? They all released on Wii U in a 3 month span of time.

Ur whole, "only Nintendo fans buy Nintendo devices and Nintendo is doomed" spiel that u have been going on about since u signed up is getting tired and old. U keep talking about how Nintendo has been in constant decline every generation with the exception of Wii/DS when that is simply not true.

NES+Game & Watch=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

SNES+GB (Apr 89-Mar 96)=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

N64+GB (Apr 96-Mar 03)=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

GC+GBA=roughly about 100 million hardware, 500 million software

Wii+DS=roughly about 250 million hardware, 1.8 billion software

Wii U+3DS (estimate)=roughly 80 million hardware, 400 million software

In Nintendo's first 4 generations they were pretty consistent, had a huge rise in their 5th generation then a retraction and decline in their 6th generation yet this somehow signifies a constant and ongoing decline.

Ur absolutely correct, this is proof of Nintendo being doomed, the fact that this is the most expensive generation with both devices having software droughts at points and with both having marketing issues that caused consumer confusion (people thinking they were revisions/add ons). There is absolutely no way Nintendo can prevent the decline from continuing even if they fix these issues and make improvements, nope Nintendo is destined to be doomed.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with "not all Nintendo fans have the same tastes". Well obviously not. No Wii U game has sold 10M+ copies has it? But there are the people that will always buy Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, and Mario every single generation for example. There are also people that will always buy Paper Mario and Animal Crossing every generation. Those people are buying the latest of those series regardless of what Nintendo does and will buy Nintendo consoles every generation just to play the new version of those games.

It's hilarious that Nintendo fans keep grouping home consoles and handhelds together arbitrarily to mask the fact that, aside from the Wii and 3DS every single home console sold less than its predecessor, and every single handheld sold less than its predecessor. That's are the hard facts. No amount of convenient grouping to skew that data means anything. if you want to pretend that Nintendo sales haven't declined over the years then it's no skin off my back.

To those who may be unfamiliar:
NES+Famicom: 61M
SNES+Super Famicom:  49M
N64: 33M
Gamecube: 22M
Wii: 101M
Wii U:  10M (might end up at 15 M)

Now to anyone with any bit of common sense, that is a clear and obvious downward trend with an outlier in the Wii. However, to some diehard Nintendo fans that is consistent sales. You can be the judge.

But again, Nintendo is only doomed if continue to only cater to Nintendo fans. It really comes down to this primary question: How is the NX going to appeal to a demographic enought to buy an NX which had little to no interest in buying the Wii U? Where are these additional sales going to come from? Who is going to buy the NX besides Nintendo fans?

Will the NX home do better than the Wii U? Well i really hope so, because if not, Nintendo is probably out of the home console game and that's bad for everyone. Will it do better than say, the N64? I really doubt it at this point.