NX power

[potato_hamster]

zorg1000 said:

potato_hamster said:

Holy crap man. I'm not wrong. How does selling 1 million on the Wii make a game successful if you needed to sell 2 million to break even? The 1 million sales mark in no way indicates that the game was successful. It's fine and dandy that Nintendo has japanese third party support, but considering Japan, like Nintendo, is representing a diminishing marketshare, that really isn't that effective or a point, is it?

Also, I'm not backtracking at all, you just don't seem to understand basic math. You can't see the difference in supporting an entirely new platform costing $X and supporting the NX and all its specs costing $X + Y dollars as a difference? For example let's take the new Tomb Raider game. It's a timed X1 exclusive. Let's say it costs Square Enix $30M to make it for X1. Then in the year after they're going to release on PS4. Let's say it will cost them $15M to port the X1 game over to PS4. Now let's just assume that it is just as easy to port the game over to NX as it was to port it to PS4. It will cost more than $15M to port the game to NX. It will cost more like $18M to $20M because it takes more time and effort developing and testing for those additional specifications. Does that make it clear for you? It will be more expensive to develop a multi-platform game for the NX than it will for any other single platform. If developers are going to spend the extra money to support that platform they will expect the sales on that platform to justfiy the additional expense.

How is that so hard for you to understand?


The fact of the matter is, Nintendo could announce an ipod touch-style NX tomorrow, and Apple could announce an iPod touch that's twice as powerful for a third of the price with thousands of free games the day after, and eat the cost of those devices until Nintendo gives up. Why hasn't Apple done that in the cell phone business? Because the Cell phone business is magnitudes bigger than the Video Game console business, and even Apple isn't big enough to drive companies like Samsung out. Nintendo is small potatoes compared to Samsung though.

The rest of it? Is simply wishful thinking bordering on blatant fanboyism. You have no idea how the Club Nintendo program will work. You have no idea if theme parks will generate new sales. You have no idea whether a Nintendo film will generate any more sales than the live action movie, or Mario TV show from the 90's did. You're practically praying that all these "new intitiatives" are going to generate new Nintendo fans. Maybe they will, but you actually don't have a clue whether or not it's going to make a shred of difference. Maybe more kids will want the NX, but maybe they'll stick to their iPads or Android tablets, since you know, free games, and cheaper hardware.

Who says those Wii games needed to sell 2 million to be profitable? Of course if a game isn't profitable than its not successful but that has nothing to do with ur original point which was that 3rd party games didn't sell on Wii.

How hard is it for u to understand that we aren't and never were talking about receiving PS4/XB1 ports. It feels like I've said this a dozen times by now, it's to unify the games that Nintendo handhelds get with the games Nintendo consoles get. We're not talking about games that with $50 million budgets that need to sell 5+ million to be profitable like Tomb Raider or Metal Gear Solid.

Why hasn't Apple done that in any business? Why does Roku still make streaming boxes? Why does Lenovo still make Smartphones? Why does Asus still make tablets? Why does Acer still make computers? Apple can't just snap their fingers and expect their competitors to drop dead, that's not how shit works.

It's not wishful thinking/fanboyism, I never once said any of these plans were determined to be successful, I'm simply coming up with some examples of how Nintendo's future plans could potentially be successful if executed properly. You on the other hand are basically saying, "Nintendo is doomed and nothing can save them!!!!"

All I'm saying is that the combination of a unified platform that makes the cost of entry cheaper and significantly reduces droughts, a rewards program that makes software more affordable, various means of marketing like mobile apps/theme parks/films can POTENTIALLY increase desire for Nintendo products.

This is hilarious. I want to know what developers that are not making Wii U or 3DS games now is going to spontaneously start developing games for the NX because it's cheaper to make games for the NX than it is to make them for both the Wii U and the 3DS. I bet you anyone that might is already making games on the PS4 and X1... so the might want to put their PS4/X1 game on the NX... Why do you think this is an outlandish concept?

You literally think developers are going to choose between making a PS4/X1 game OR making an NX game, and see the NX as a more profitable avenue, don't you? That is absolutely delusional thinking.

Apple has done that in all of those avenues. Go ahead, google "iPhone killer" and "iPad killer" and see how many of the products mentioned in those articles actually became successful. Roku does make streaming boxes, but what about Boxee? Their demise came right in line with Apple releasing the Apple TV at $99, a huge step down from the $299 it started at. I did cover smartphones, but you'll also note that as Apple grew, many of its competitors crumbled, such as Blackberry and Sony Ericsson which tried to compete directly wiht the iPhone and failed. Asus still makes tablets, but Motorola doesn't. Neither does Blackberry. Apple has pushed competitors out of sectors everywhere its products have caught on. Once it establishes success, it leverages it to gain marketshare and maintain dominance.

Honestly, Nintendo would have an easier time trying to fight against Sony and Microsoft in the "hardcore console" domain than they would going up against Apple and Google in the smartphone/tablet realm. It's that much of an uphill battle.

And yes, Nintendo kinda is doomed. They have made poor decision after poor decision for over a decade now and have burned so many bridges with gamers and developers alike that it might in fact be too late for them to turn it all around. I'm not sure how they are going to do it if it can be done, but the NX as its described by people like you, is not the answer.