Knowing the big titles coming next year, do you still think the NX will be coming out holiday 2016?

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Samus Aran said:

Scisca said:

Samus Aran said:

Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?

You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

Yeah, I'm the one who's very biased here.

Seriously, PS3 lost Sony billions of dollars and loads of market share. Yet they're no real loser? In what world? Sony wasn't doing well last gen at all.

NPD shows that smartphone games are also taking away sales from home consoles. I guess the HC market is also disappearing and will outright die.

And yeah sure, the Vita isn't a failure. In what universe?

I'm happy you've acknowledged your strong bias.

I'm gonna repeat. Add all the BR profits to PS3. Sony would never earn that money had it not invested extra into PS3. If you include the costs of BR, ignoring the profit it brought is unfair. And when it comes to marketshare, last gen is very, very deceiving due to the anomaly that was the Wii. You can't just add the consoles sold like you could earlier and say "this is the market", cause Wii gained a completely new market that didn't exist before and no longer exists. That's why only fools like Pachter believe this gen will sell like the previous one. It won't, cause we're back to the regular market, as Nintendo is learning the hard way. And Sony's marketshare in this market remained strong. Not as strong as earlier, but strong enough, as PS4 proves.

Yup, it will. Is this really news to you? Games will become a service very soon, all companies are getting ready to this. Heard of PS Now? Get used to it. Next gen will possibly be the last generation of consoles as we know them. Handhelds are first, home consoles will die later on.

You know what, get serious, cause such conversations make no sense. Calling something a "failure" is different than calling it a "big fat failure". Vita isn't meeting expectations, just like Wii U. But since it remains mildly profitable, it's not a "big fat failure". Especially since it's not damaging the PS brand and its result doesn't pose any risk for the future of PlayStation.

When it comes to PS3, it was much more than just a gaming console. It was a medium for worldwide introduction of BR. And it achieved that. It also defended itself against a very strong move from MS and set the table for a more successful gen. When everything was up in the air when it comes to PS4 and Xbone the argument of PS having more, better studios and supporting their console for much longer was among the most important ones. That's strictly PS3 heritage.