potato_hamster said:
Soundwave said:
potato_hamster said:
If consoles become upgradable, and you have multiple specs that developers cannot optimize for you literally lose every major benefit of a console. Your hardware becomes outdated quicker, game compatibility becomes questionable, consoles literally become PCs, just running Sony or MS's version of an OS or steam. Literally what would be the point of a console? To buy a PC that runs games literally just as well as any other PC with the same specs, but doesn't have any of the benefits of running an operating system like Windows, except you might still have to pay to play online, and you might not be able to use a keyboard or mouse to play games?
Seriously, if you want a console that does that - it's called a Steam Machine. You and thee 5 other people who actually think that's a good idea can go buy one. Have you really thought this through? Are you oblvious to the benefits of owning a console over a PC?
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I'm looking at things from outside the box, I don't see the point of rabid insistence on doing things the same way they've been done in the past when clearly it's not a formula that works against Nintendo than working for them.
It's not like the traditional adherence to "console rules" has helped Nintendo any, and the Wii U is not really just a one off problem either, the GameCube had very similar struggles and the Wii succeeded largely on the back of casuals.
I think probably though they'll just go with something like a 300 GFLOP portable, and using the same chipset family, they'll just scale that up 2-3x for a cheap micro-console (sub-$250).
I think the report of Android apps from Nikkei is largely true too (they have been correct more or less several times in the past with regards to Nintendo). It'll be a Nintendo OS, but it'll be able to run Android apps, sorta like what Blackberry is doing, and Nintendo will collect a small royalty fee if developers want to sell their Android apps through the Nintendo eShop.
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Ohh yes. Nintendo OS for a glorified upgradable PC. Makes sense. Why don't Nintendo just abandon making hardware all together and just make games for PC and iOS/Android? Equally "outside the box". Better yet, let's have Nintendo make their own version of the OUYA! Plays Nintendo-specific games, as well as Android. Equally dumb. Seriously, why are all of your ideas obvious commerical failures for anyone with any bit of common sense?
Here you are all concerned about handheld/console performance and scaling when both of those don't matter one iota if you don't make hardware that people want to buy, and guess what people don't want to buy? A console just to play Nintendo's games! That's the main reason why Nintendo has failed with the Wii U, and Gamecube, because they have the same bull-headed approach that Nintendo games, and Nintendo games alone will move so much hardware that third parties will flock to it just to have their piece of the pie. You have no idea how hard Nintendo is to deal with when it comes to making games on their platforms. Their developer tools are a joke, their developer kits are lacking, and their support and certification transparency are severely lacking when compared to both Sony and Microsoft. Developers are willing to tolerate this if it means high potential sales, but when Nintendo is fighting for market share it's a death wish. Nintendo needs to clean up their act, mend bridges, invest in making their platforms easier to develop on, and show third parties they're willing to work with them to bring good games to Nintendo's consoles, and maybe, just maybe Nintendo will be successful again.
Honestly if Nintendo doesn't think they can beat them, they need to join them. If they want to be successful competing against mobile, why on earth doesn't Nintendo make their own phone? That will sell like gang-busters amongst kids. Parents won't have to buy their kids a phone and a Nintendo handheld, they could kill two birds with one stone. Nintendo could make their own variation of Android, have the benefits of the entire Android infrastructure, and have their Nintendo store which offers Nintendo games and apps that are compatible with the phone. Throw in a cartridge port if you still want to go that route and the sky is the limit. What? Parents don't want their kids to have a phone,? Make an iPod touch style version. That's still lets kids connect to the Android infrastructure via wi-fi.
See, something like that is actually thinking outside of the box, practical and could be successful for Nintendo. Will they do that? Probably not.
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Well firstly they are making iOS/Android games. And personally I don't think there would be anything wrong if they did make PC games.
I guess the other question to ask is does the industry even need 3 consoles doing more or less the exact same thing? Unfortunately with Microsoft already occupying the role of shadow to Sony, there isn't really a lot of room for yet another console maker that's aiming to do the same thing (ie: platform driven by violent third party action games for adolsencent/teenage males as the primary market).
As for a Nintendo phone ... I don't see Nintendo going there. The competetition there is 100x fiercer than the little ol' video game market. A company like Sony is basically a joke in the cell phone market, yet they can be the market leader in the game business, they are in effect a big fish in a small pond in the game business, but the phone business is far more cutthroat.
Also I don't know if even kids want a "Nintendo phone". People don't want "toy phones", phones are not just tech devices for tech nerds either, they are fashion statements. Nintendo woudn't have the first idea of how to brand market directly against the likes of Apple and Samsung. Even Microsoft is having no luck and they've poured billions of dollars into Windows Phone.
As far as incorpating Android apps ... sure, why not. Nikkei is generally one of the best (and only) sources for Nintendo leaks, so I would not be surprised if their report had some truth to it.
