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Soundwave on 02 August 2015
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thismeintiel said:
Wyrdness said:
thismeintiel said:

That was not only MS's first console, it was launched two years after the first console of that gen (the DC) was launched.  The Wii U was the 1st console of this gen to launch, and Nintendo has a legacy live up to and pretty loyal fanbase to appease.  Completely different situations.

The NX, if released in Holiday 2016, will be going head to head with a $299 PS4 (the same price they are probably going to try to launch the NX at), in what could be its peak year.  And, like I said, if they are not going to outperform the PS4 in an attempt to be affordable, they will be ignored by the core market.  The market that is still kicking.  And if they are trying to have some kinda gimmick with the NX to appeal to casuals, they are obviously still on the wrong path, as the casuals are mostly gone. 

If this is the scenerio, the NX will suffer the same fate as the Wii U.  Selling only to the hardcore Nintendo fans.  How many that are still around after being abandoned halfway through this gen.


Sorry what? Being their first console doesn't change the situation at all neither does the DC's release in fact both of those makes it even worse you're moving goal posts here, Xbox was 3 years in and came out later when MS said that the's another console coming and all of this was just to get the 360 out before any Sony console.

NX may possibly be replacing 2 platforms and carry two markets, casuals are also far from gone that's a misconception 3DS titles like Toodachi Life proved this, they just haven't been catered to this gen. Developers misinterpreted how to cater to them.

Lol, no.  You're just trying to make any situation that Nintendo finds itself in seem better than it really is. Which may help you feel better about it, but it won't change the reality of the situation.  Abandoning your fans just 2 1/2-3 years in, which is what they have done with the lack of exclusives and moving them to the NX, is not going to be excused.  Not saying there will be a huge drop in their loyal fans (there actually aren't that many around anymore, not enough to make a console successful, anyway), but there will be a sizeable chunk who say enough is enough.

And casuals may not have completely abandoned handheld gaming, but they are leaving.  The 3DS, without any real competition, is going to struggle to sell half of the DS (~77M), which had some good competition from the PSP.  Heck, this handheld gen didn't even have a big enough market for two consoles to do well, unlike last gen.  It's obvious that smartphones and tablets have seriously hurt handhelds.  Also, if the NX is aiming to be a jack of both markets, it will most likely end up being a master of neither.


This is more of a gamer message board insulated line of thinking more than it is reality. The reality is of the four major console manufacturers, 3 of them (Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft) have had their best selling game system's ever after previous product cycles of less than 5 years. The DS (released 3 1/2 years after GBA), Genesis (released 3 years after Sega Master System), and XBox 360 (released 4 years after the first XBox) all did monstrous business. 

Releasing a better product isn't abandoning your marketbase, it's giving them something better to play. Yes there will be some who bitch and moan at inception, but don't kid yourself, there were people bemoaning the DS and XBox 360 too. Bet they all ended up buying a DS or XBox 360 eventually anyway. Game fans tend to make a lot of noise but most of these people will come around when they see Mario Galaxy 3 or Monster Hunter 5 or Dragon Quest XI running on NX. 

The Wii U and 3DS are still going to sell 85-90 million or so units this generation even at current estimates, 3DS should finish around 70 million and Wii U probably somewhere around 15-17 million. 

Even if NX only sells 70-75 million (home and portable versions combined), that's easily no.2 in the marketplace, and probably no.1 in Japan. DQXI + likely Monster Hunter + Yokai Watch + Pokemon and the rest of Nintendo's IP is not going to be a push over at all over there. 

And really the GameCube was also abandoned after basically 4 years and Nintendo too, calling November 2005-November 2006 a real year of product support is fairly dubious. Didn't obviously impact Wii at all. Also they've already said they will continue to support the Wii U and 3DS after NX launch.