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Teeqoz on 29 July 2015
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SuaveSocialist said:
Teeqoz said:


Does it matter how far he goes when he can just teleport back instantly?

Answer me this:

What could Supes do, if Manhattan teleported them both out inbetween to galaxies, where there is no sunlight for Supes to charge his strength with? Supes couldn't escape, because each time he'd try to fly away, Manhattan would just teleport him back. Eventually Supes would run out of power , and Manhattan could destroy him.


Well, assuming that Doc actually pulled that off (despite never demonstrating himself to be remotely capable of teleporting another person that far) Superman would fly back to Earth is what.  Doc is limited to the potential of the laws of physics, Superman is not.  By flying FTL he is beyond Doc's ability to track.  Then he just punches the Doc's quantum state into something even more basic than quarks and the Doc has never shown himself to be able to reassemble from a sub-atomic state.  Fire up the phantom zone generator if he starts to.  Superman has flown billions of times the speed of light; he can easily assemble or prepare the device so that Doc doesn't have time to do anything to stop it.

"Superman is as strong as he needs to be."  Just imagine whatever feats are necessary to beat up Doc.  Superman is stated to be able to go beyond that.


Dude, Superman could punch him, but he would just fly straight through him, just like any other physical object you might throw at him.

Doc can see the past the current and the future all at the same time, he'd know that Supes would try, and would merely stop him. Also, just because Superman has (once) flown faster than the speed of light, does not mean other physical objects can react faster than the speed of light.

Why would Doc teleport the Phantom Zone gun thingy with Supes? He'd leave that on earth. And if Supes were to fly FTL back to earth (presuming Manhattan wouldn't be able to stop him) he couldn't just bring the Phantom Zone back with him while flying FTL. Any physical object (besides Superman because writers don't care) would disintegrate to a sub-atomic state if they went FTL, so suddenly, Supes' Phantom Zone gun would be nothing. And like I said, Doc would know exactly what supes was trying to do, and could react even before it would happen. Hell, he'd know before the fight would even start.

Also Supes has never been shown to be able to do fine tuning and use his fine motorics (like preparing and assembling the Phantom Zone gun) at FTL speeds.

When he has rebuilt himself from nothing, how can you say he can't rebuild himself from a sub-atomic state? He controls matter at a sub-atomic state, and he clearly exists outside of his mere physical form...

 

Is Superman made of matter? If yes, Manhattan can control him.

Heck, I could even argue that if you locked up Manhattan in the Phantom Zone, you would've only locked up his physical body, and since he clearly isn't tied to that, he would still be present and could just rebuild himself in this universe.

Your argument comes down to "Manhattan the omnisentient reality shaper with the powers of a God has never been shown to do exactly that, so obviously he can't do exactly that".