| RadiantDanceMachine said: You made no replies in reference to my quotations, you made replies in reference to my occurrences which renders your "out of context" entirely obsolete, which is why I ignored a rebuttal that made no sense. I thought this was very easily understood...by anyone, I suppose I was mistaken. You seem to not be following this procession of events at all I'm afraid. Your claim: "Thus, if a so called Christian says "God hates X" they are either not a Christian, or at the very least sinning themselves." Was refuted by: 1) Quite a few quotations which evidence that several things are hated as per the Bible. 2) The number of occurences within the Bible that hate is used. Your efforts at refuting 2) were a complete failure due to the argument itself being a non-sequitur. Namely "IFF Christ/Jesus are mentioned more than hate, then no hate exists". No effort has been made to address 1) at any point in time until now. These efforts currently stem from nothing at all. Read the passages that contain these quotations in their entirety...nothing is taken out of context here. Feel free to look them up, surely you know where they are? Oh dear...if you can't see the clear and marked distinction between my argument and yours, you truly are way out of your depth here. My argument is as follows: P1) If hate is mentioned in the bible, "god" hates something. P2) Hate is mentioned in the bible. C) Ergo, god hates something. *P1 could very easily be amended to state: "If the bible mentions that god/lord/Jesus hates X, then god hates X" based upon ample quotations of such. Your argument: P1) If Jesus/Christ are mentioned in the bible more than hate, then "god" doesn't hate anything. (clearly inept) P2) Jesus/Christ are mentioned more in the bible than hate. C) Ergo, "god" doesn't hate anything. Hopefully this clears up your confusion since you seem wildly confused about the procession of events. |
I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I haven't read this whole thread but I would like to say a couple things.
a. You should replace your arguments P1 with the amended version, as the logic of P1 without the amendment doesn't make sense. Obviously, the context of the word "hate" is important. A statement such as (this is not a passage from the bible, merely an example): "The men hated and stoned and cursed the heathens, but Jesus stepped forth and asked 'why do you throw stones at those who have not experienced God's glory? Should you not instead attempt to open their eyes to the glory of God's love?". Such a statement would obviously not support your argument.
b. Hate in the bible (judging from those passages you posted) is reserved for ideas, not for people. From that, "God hates sin" is a valid statement whereas "God hates sinners" is not. This also creates a distinction between the emotion of hate and the expression of hate. Reading between the lines, the OP seems to have been discussing hate of a group of people and not hate of an idea, however it was expressed poorly. A better thread title would likely be something along the lines of "Christianity is opposed to the expression of hate".
