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ToraTiger said:
sundin13 said:


The point is fairly silly as like I said, they took something hollow and filled it. Kid Icarus was overall lacking personality and they filled it. Metroid's story was generally hollow and they filled it (although the writing and the boxes they were written into severely harmed the final product). In these two cases, it is simply a Japanese company injecting personality into works and you complaining because anime.

I don't really see your conclusion of this argument other than "anime is bad and it should stay out of my games".

You think the Metroid and Kid Icarus creators intended for their games to be turned into chiki centric anime inspired bland stories?  I dont know what you mean by the 2 games lacking in personalty, metroid had plenty of official backstory and plot and so did kid  icarus, and they existed without the need of filling their stories with hallow anime tropes.

First of all, what the hell does chiki mean? The only context I've ever seen that used in is meaning "chicken", but apparently it means "acquaintance", but I highly doubt that is what you mean.

Second, I think once again you are confusing your (seeming) xenophobia for anything of substance. There is nothing wrong with the story of Kid Icarus Uprising. It was entertaing and fun and quite different. It was certainly not adherent to "anime" tropes or pandering to otaku, and like I said, it was more similar in many ways to saturday morning cartoons than anime. Additionally, the story stayed consistently interesting, extremely well written, all of the characters were fun and it all lent itself to an amazing experience. Bland? Bullshit.

Third, have you played the first two Kid Icarus games? They were literally just gameplay with some goofy off the wall humor added on. Remember the Eggplant wizard? I don't think we are missing out on some deep sprawling narrative when the series moved to...well goofy off the wall humor.

As for Metroid, I would argue that none of that games flaws came from anything related to anime. The flaws were largely:
a) overwriting the characters: There was too much writing put into many areas where they should have went with silence or a more subdued tone. This was largely because they focused more on story than previous installments. The story however, was far from a typical anime story and I believe that the characters all stayed away from tropes. They weren't extremely deep and the writing was questionable, but neither of these things have anything to do with your point. Additionally, Samus was based off of the precedent set by previous games. The personality of Samus was already set long before Other M (see Metroid Fusion), and this personality once again has nothing to do with anime.
b) Trying to fill in nonsensical gaps: Many things in the gameplay of metroid just simply don't make sense. The most notable of these is the loss of powers at the begining of every game. The writers wanted to keep this gameplay pillar but write it into the game, which caused problems because no matter how you look at it, this doesn't make sense. The solution the writers came up with was far from elegant, but once again has absolutely nothing to do with anime.

Fourth, the fact that you are pulling Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus and Metroid all under the same umbrella elucidates one of the key problems with your point. These game are all hugely different in style, tone, writing, characterization, etc and yet you decide to refer to them all as "anime" as if that actually made sense. Anime is a medium, not a style or a tone. There is a huge variety of anime, and while your point made some semblance of sense at the beginning when you were just talking about Fire Emblem, the more your broaden it, the more it falls apart.

If you want to criticize moe culture, go ahead, but none of these three franchises demonstrate the qualities inherent to that.

If you want to criticize weak writing or characterization, go ahead, but don't attribute it to any sort of "japanification" or "animification", because you just don't have the strongest argument to make to correlate the two things or even really explain your point of view in any way that doesn't sound intensely xenophobic.