What do you think of Russia ?

[hunter_alien]

Mise said:

hunter_alien said:

 

lol , I love your pros ... actually it beats every con you could get . Oh , and con number 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 is not even something concrete ( OK , maybe the Chechnyan one is , but who would do things in a different way anyways ? Especially when we are talking about the countryes integrity ) . 6 on the other hand is a complete nonsense , and its only based on historycal prejudice ... ( OK , Il admit that I wanted to use a fancy word :P But I probably screwed it with my horrible english ) .

You know, it's funny that you considered the first piece valid without argument.

And as I said, most of that stuff was off the top of my head based on my prior knowledge of the issues, so it's not like I was going to write a seven-page essay discussing those points :P

I've watched some documentaries featuring the Nashi movement, and some of their antics border on fanaticism so much it's scary. Ie. attacking foreign ambassadors, practically everything they said and did during Estonia's Bronze Soldier incident etc. There's a reason why some people liken it to Hitler-Jugend.

As for Chechnya - how about giving them a reasonable degree of autonomy and withdrawing the troops? If the Russian Federation is so unstable that the entire system might collapse because of a single country's wish to govern its own people, then it deserves to collapse. At least the civil war has stopped for now, even though Chechnya's current "president" can't exactly be called a great democrat.

As for part no.6 - that's not a con. That's a historical fact. Had I said something like "Finland was once a part of Russia and Russians will eventually try to conquer us again", you would've been somewhat correct.

 Oh , than its my bad :P ( 6 ) And for 1 the truth is that their polytical " methods " are not the same as in lets say the US or some EU countryes , but IMO to much liberty can sometimes mean trouble ( note : Im not a comunist or dont bealive that a dictator based regim is good in any way ) , and for a country as instable as Russia was for the past 17 years , a state that has a bit more power than the people wasnt a bad idea . Still It is far from beeing a dictatoric country , and democracy is preasent more then ever in that state .

 

Also , the Hitler Youth is arguably bigger than this ( in nomber of " members " ) and I would still call it a pathetic attempt to get some media attention , and nothing more . Can it become violent sometimes , yes , but then look at whats actually happening on a daily basis in the world , and compared to that all this small-time , wanabe groups ( yes , Im actually only calling them wanabes ) are nothing . 

 

Also , by giving more authority for Chechnya what will come next . They will want sooner or later a separate country , and then again boom , just like the Kosovo incident ( that was again a politycally incorrect move IMO ) we will see again discussions about teritory needs for small ethnic groups , and IMO Europe had seen more than enough of their share in authority structuring ...