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Locknuts on 10 March 2015
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fatslob-:O said:
Locknuts said:

The 320MB 8800GTS launched at $300. With inflation that's roughly equivalent to the cost of a GTX 970 now but was really not that much more capable than a 360 when paired with a decent CPU (could run games like GTA IV at proper 720/30fps). Whereas a 970 could take a game that runs at 1080p/30fps on PS4 and run it at 4k/30fps (shadow of mordor for example). The gap is far wider now than it was then, plus I don't see a lot of optimisation happening and Hardline is proof of that. I really think the new consoles X86 architecture ensured that they were pretty much maxed out right from the start. I'm not a dev, but I'm just going on what I've seen.

I was personally satisfied with the 360. So much so that it kept me off the PC for the most part. And I agree, $400 is the right price. I would have preferred they just took a bit of a hit and gave them a much better CPU and a slightly better GPU (7970 equiv. instead of 7850/70). Then maybe I would be satisfied with my Xbox One instead of thinking of selling it for a new GPU.

I'm surprised you were satisfied with the 360 but I'm also surprised about what you remembered. You were right about the 320MB GeForce 8800 GTS launching at $300 but there was also another good option such as the 512MB GeForce 8800 GT for $200! Compared to the gap between the 970 and PS4, that GeForce 8800 GT straight up ran circles around the last gen HD twins just for $200 ... LOL 

Bioshock ran at 720p30FPS on the Xbox 360 whereas the GeForce 8800 GT did at a comparable resolution to 1080p@70FPS! That comes to a 4.8x increase in performance! 

COD 4 on the Xbox 360 ran at a sub-HD resolution of 1024x600! That's an 3.1x increase in performance in favour of the GeForce 8800 GT!

Half Life: Episode 2 on the Xbox 360 ran at 720p30FPS when The 8800GT can rip through this game at 135FPS at 1600x1200! That's over an 8x increase in performance! 

Most of the time a GTX 970 would only outperforms the the PS4 by 2-2.5x so all things considered the gap is about the same ... 

Optimizations will come in time. It's the GPU that you want to focus on, not the CPU so whether the consoles have x86 processors or not is irrelevant since the bulk of the pixel pushing power comes from the GPU!

A 7970 is NOT slightly better than what's in the PS4. That thing is 70% faster and it's sold at a premium for a reason ...

You got your timings confused. The 8800GT didn't come out until the end of 2007. That's a full 2 years after the launch of the 360. It hasn't been a full 2 years since the launch of these consoles. Let's see what a $200 card can offer in November of this year eh? It was a legendary beast though. The 8800GT was unstoppable in it's time.

Also, it seems I got the 280x and 280 confused. I thought the 280 was the replacement for the 7970, but it's actually the replacement for the 7950 and the 280x is the replacement for the 7970. Strange naming scheme.... Anyway it can be had for around $189 after rebates. That's not too premium a price but a little more than I thought they were going for and yeah, performs around 70% better than a PS4 afaik.