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bonzobanana said:
Why on earth would Nano Assault Neo be beyond the capabilities of 360 or PS3 its on the 3DS FFS and its just a simple shooter and Trine is a typical pretty 2D scroller that at least may be a fair comment due to the wii u's 32MB of eDRAM but still you see Rayman Legends as 1080p 60 frames per second on ps3 and 360 too and that is also a very beautiful 2D scroller. Let's not forget the ps3 for example has titles running at 1080p at 60fps like Wipeout proper 3D games. Max out what exactly. It has a well documentated radeon processor and 3 cpu cores from the last century. Not much new they're to learn and exploit. The wii u has come to market with low spec mature components it is not cutting edge so the learning curve is not there. Both 360 and PS3 are vastly more complicated to exploit in comparison especially ps3 because they were cutting edge at the time. There will never be a magical time when suddenly the wii u is powerful. How many false dawns has their been only for such games to be revealed as 720p without anti-aliasing. The new Zelda case in point, looks like a lovely game but wait until it arrives at 720p with no anti-aliasing and possible frame drops to get the reality of the game. Already games on ps3/360 like oblivion, final fantasy, red dead show similar engines and where they may fail in texture quality they more than make up for with superior physics engines and more onscreen activity including moving clouds, birds etc. Case in point Skyrim on 360. That console has a triple core cpu running at 3.2ghz and each having 2 threads. A quick look at comparable benchmarks; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second
Thats 8450 mips at 1.25ghz x 3 which doesn't even equal the ps3 PPE before you add the power of the 7 cell processors each at 3.2ghz. Yes both ps3 and 360 heavily rely on the cpu to support their older architecture gpu's but still its absolute rubbish on the wii u. Comparitively the floating point performance is even worse on wii u but then the gpu takes care of that. The point is there is nothing to exploit there. The wii u is fundamentally weak in cpu terms and the gpu is only a low level mobile gpu which programmed to the metal will outperform 360 and PS3 but there isn't much potential there. Lets not forget Nintendo are big achievers with weak hardware. They have done some very impressive games on wii despite its 12gflops gpu and 1,500 mips cpu performance. They are brilliant at working around weak hardware historically. Yet what have they achieved with wii u so far. How many 1080p games are there? Zelda windwaker was originally running on a console with a 8gflops gpu at 480p and now with a 176 gflops gpu and over 7x the cpu power we get a 1080p version with frame rate drops at 30fps. Thats 22x the gpu power. Surely not unreasonable for such an old game to run at 1080p 60fps with rock solid frame rates. There is a clearly a big cpu issue in the wii u design which I'm sure they will improve but at the moment the wii u can not even reach parity with 360 and ps3 for cpu intensive games. With that in mind how on earth can people keep writing 'weak ports' as if every developer is conspiring against Nintendo to produce weak games. The wii u is a weak console for its time just like the original wii was, nothing has changed. |
Actually, no, Nano Assault Neo is not on 3DS. That's the original Nano Assault. Different game. More modern shader techniques seem a likely candidate for its post-PS3/360 tricks, as more than one dev has corroborated that the GPU has a newer feature set than last gen consoles.
And Trine 2 is quite a bit more demanding than Rayman Legends, hence the resolution/fps gap. The latter is largely 2D sprites, while the former uses 3D geometry with much more demanding shaders, lighting, etc.
Trine and Need for Speed have already proven Wii U can do better textures than PS3/360 thanks to more memory. Hard-drive streaming is not enough to alleviate a 1GB-<500MB disadvantage in RAM size. Ultimately you'll run into situations where you need more than 500MB in play at once, and when that happens, PS3/360 hit a brick wall.
As to Wii U's GPU being well documented, we don't know that; it's make and model have not been confirmed. People said last gen that the Wii would not improve graphically cos it was older tech, but it did.
