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super_etecoon on 14 November 2014
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RolStoppable said:
super_etecoon said:

I'm still maintaning that it is parents that buy these games more than gamers.  That's why I would put the blame there.  We've all seen it while we've been shopping: the parent looks cluelessly at the games on the rack, then smiles once he or she finds a name that they actually recognoze (and know the kid loves).  Usually it's a tie in movie or cartoon game.  I'm mostly speaking facetiously...my comment was a small jab at the uninformed masses regarding our hobby of choice.  I've worked retail enough to see it in action.  But yeah...gamers buying bad games sucks...but it's all relative and subject to a lifetime of experience for each gamer.  Specifically I'm referring to broken games.

And actually...my comment was more about the developers, rather than the gamers.  You can't fault a gamer for seeing a franchise they like and buying it, hoping to get some enjoyment out of it.  I bought Other M and cringed through every spoken word of dialogue, and nearly every scene.  I just had hoped for a better experience...but that doesn't make me uninformed or guilty for supporting a bad title.  

Did the developer get too ambitious with the project?  Was it rushed to meet a window?  Christmas? Black Friday?  Anything before Smash comes in and decimates the competition?  Maybe they just assume that "kids" that play these consoles don't care about these issues.  Maybe they have Spurge on speed dial and once he gives the ok they know they've gone gold.

You didn't specify Sonic games in your original post. You were broadly speaking and called out games with tons of bugs and glitches; and that's something that applies to plenty of big third party IPs.

@bolded: If that's how you see it, then you can't fault parents and the uninformed masses for buying games that carry the name of a popular IP.

@italics: Yes, that doesn't make you uninformed. Like I said, it's worse than that. You are knowingly buying a game that you shouldn't support as opposed to the uninformed masses who unknowingly buy a game that doesn't deserve support. You bought Other M, so you supported a bad title, especially if you claim that you weren't uninformed when you made the purchase.

ok...so here's the thing.

Yes, I'm informed...saw the trailer at E3.  Instantly hyped (how could I not be?)!  Found out who was working on the title: Team Ninja, D-Rockets and Sakamoto.  Ok...well that's interesting.  I was never a fan of Team Ninja...not really a hack and slash kind of guy.  But the gameplay looked interesting.  D-Rockets were doing cinema...looked fine based on the trailer.  Sakamoto worked on Super Metroid.  Awesome.  Saw some images...cool.  Now as someone who likes to be surprised, I stop watching media at that point. I always do.  I avoid trailers for movies.  I never read reviews.  I want to make my own unaffected critique of whatever piece of art I'm reviewing...generally speaking.  

Sometimes I get burned.  It hurts especially when it's a director, writer, or franchise that I've always loved.  It happens.  That doesn't make me a part of the problem.  Other M isn't broken...just flawed.  Now if you want to argue any of the particulars of this argument, just to win an argument, go right ahead.  I can play that game.  I can admit when I'm wrong. But there's a huge difference between expecting quality from a high pedigree company and just buying a product in name only.  Again, I'm sure we can argue semantics...but I know that that's one of your peeves, so we probably shouldn't.  You and I agree...you just like to find the irony in my statements for effect...and because it's there.