Diff between PS4/XB1 > PS3/360

[Dr.Henry_Killinger]

VanceIX said:

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

VanceIX said:

I think you're making this stuff up about consumers really noticing a difference for the most part, because they don't.

Reread what I posted. I said, your claim about 90% of people not noticing the difference is unsubstatiated but I didn't prove the contrary, instead I said its foolish basing rationale off of that because since its subjective/opinion.

Ask any video game player if they notice much of a difference on their One compared to their PS4 and most will say that the difference is marginal at best. Yes, I am basing this off of my own experiences as a college student with friends with multiple consoles, along with threads on this site and others.

Then you realize this is circumstantial evidence and its invalid right? 

And if you actually understood my post I say, that not only whether someone can discern the difference is subjective, its also completely irrelevant.

For consumers, they'll buy the console that has their favorite game on it, they don't give a damn about 900p upscaled to 1080p vs native 1080p. All they see is that the games look similar, and so they feel comfortable buying their console.

We are talking about Multiplats, identical games on different platforms. If someone wants COD but they also want Halo then they get an XB1, obviously. But that is an outside preference that has nothing to do with the game. Hell, chances are they won't even play the game before deciding which one they want.

This isn't like a consumer looking at the Wii U vs the PS4/One and noticing a significant difference in visuals. They see that both consoles output games that have very similar looks, and then get the one that has the games they like.

What the consumer notices is irrelevant. Here is a fact about consumers, if two products are the same price or even around the same price, they will ask the difference, unless they are buying both. 

In the end it may be subjective, but let's not pretend that majority consumers make their purchase on whether a game is 900p vs 1080p, because they don't.

Outside of outside prefrences, they will, unless their is price disparity and the price difference is worth more than the reso difference which it most certainly will be. Too bad games are 60 dollars on both platforms.

They'll make the purchase on whichever platform their friends use and the one most appealing to them, confident that the games will look almost exactly the same no matter what console.

this is obvious, but these are outside preferences that determine the sale not noticability, noticiability is completely irrelevant, even if the difference was notable, they would still choose the version of the game that appeals to them.

Thats why people buy Wii versions and Wii U version of games, whether or not the differences are noticable are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, the differences them selves mattered and will be the priority once other preferences are satisfied.

So in case A:

Johnny has all the Console, has no freinds, and is chosing which platform to get a multiplat on. And they all cost the same? He's going to get the most powerful one, end of discussion. It doesn't matter if one is 1070 p 50 fps, one is 1075 p at 56 fps and one is 1080p 59 fps, hes going to get the highest fps reso because they all cost 60 bucks.

 

You know what, I'm just going to take the high road and bow out of this. You're using completely unproveable and subjective arguments, and yet you have no problem with throwing my argument out the window for being just that.

Anyway, we'll see when this generation is over just how big the difference was in multiplats. Until then, you can't completely disregard my argument like you are now.

Goodbye and good luck.

Except I'm not, you are. I'm simply pointing out that you are using subjective arguments. I'm not making an argument using subjectivity, IM FLAT OUT TELLING YOU NOTICIABILITY IS SUBJECTIVE AND CANNOT BE USED, I'm saying you can't use yours. If you don't understand that, I'm not sure you are actually reading what I've posted and are just reponding assuming I am simply arguing with you.

Bold 1. You can't make arguments off of unproven beleifs.

Bold 4. Circumstansial evidence is invalid, just because the friends at your dorm don't notice doesn't mean 90%+ of consumers don't either.

Bold 3. The difference is subjective and its irrelvant seeing as how other priorities such as friends and controller preference, a claim you suggested, carry precedence. You can't make up claims about who will notice what, even if you do a survey in can't be objective cause your asking what people percieve.

Bold 4. Once again Noticably is irrelvant.

Bold 5. Is a fact

Bold 6. Is also a fact, noticability is a preference. Prefrences are priortized by each consumer

Bold 7. Repeats bold 6

Bold 8. Repeats bold 6

Bold 9. Cites Wii and Wii U versions selling as evidence that Noticiability is irrelevant.

Bold 10. Is an example of Bold 6 and Bold 9

The issue is that you are seperating Noticability from preferences and trying to use it as seperate factor. In reality, Noticeablity is just a preference, the degree to which its discernable is also just a preference, someone who wants to use the Xbox controller won't give 2 fcks about whether or not the resolution makes the game look pixelated to them or not.