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burninmylight on 23 July 2014
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super_etecoon said:
Lucas-Rio said:
super_etecoon said:
Lucas-Rio said:
The main problem for this is that in some games, you need the gamepad like W101 where some actions only appear through the second screen.

It would split the base between suer who can play all games and others who can't. And there is nothing on the box of older games indicating if gamepadless customers could buy it.

While it would allo great pricing at less than 200$, it may create more confusion. That's sad because if Nintendo had not used the gamepad at all, the Wii U would have probably been over 10 millions at this point.

Proof for this?  Without the Gamepad, people would ask, why should we get a new system.  HD would not be enough.  More power wouldn't be enough, either.  Nintendo is not the system people buy for Multiplats or amazing graphics.  You can't change that with one hardware release.  The sales simply support your own feelings about the machine.

The Wii U would have been at least 100$ cheapest, and price count for Nintendo consoles.

Wii and GC were priced lower at launch and Wii U was priced quite high (350$ for the main model). Without the gamepad, the Wii U would be priced at 200$ with a game now.  The gamepad wasn't worth it (speaking in term of sales).

Just because the Gamepad costs $100 to manufacture, doesn't mean you can just save $100 by not including it.  You still have to put some kind of controller in there.  What would they have done?  Used the Pro Controller?  Hmm...people would have said, just buy a 360 instead.  Put in a WiiMote plus?  Hmm...if you think Nintendo has trouble differentiating the box from the Wii now, could you imagine that?  Honestly, as a gamer, I love everything about the WiiU gamepad.  It doesn't do anything less than the other controllers and just enhances the experience.  It is worth the investment and more than makes up for teh price difference.  I ended up getting a handheld and a console controller.  

People pay ridiculous amounts of money for tablets.  Ridiculous.  Far exceeeding their value.  Price really isn't the issue.  It is appeal.  And removing one of the WiiU's only selling points just reduces that appeal.


I'd like to add a couple of  things.

  1. The GameCube was $200 after a year in the market, how did that wind up? And if you take away the GamePad, then what is the Wii, essentially? A GameCube: other than Wiimotes, virtually nothing to distinguish it from every other console, only with less third party AAA games. It becomes "two PS3s duct taped together" with a smaller library.

  2. What exactly would put the Wii U at over 10 million without the GamePad? Would a ton more first party games suddenly have came out of nowhere? Other than Nintendoland, what first party games really make mindblowing use of the GamePad? I can't think of any, so I'd imagine the pad is not what took Ninty so long to get games out. It was HD development, which the controller has nothing to do with.

    If you go back in time and stick a Pro Controller in every box instead of a Upad, the Wii U would still have struggled, because there still would have been a massive drought. Only this time, there would be no unique hook to get consumer attention. Publishers like EA would have still put out their shamelessly shitty ports and sent games to die. Ubisoft would still be witholding games like Rayman, and would have never had a reason to make it the definitive version at all, because how could Rayman be unique on the Wii U? Now that I think about it, what would be the point of making Zombi U exclusive? It would have been ported to PS360 already, because no unique Wii U features. Do I need to keep going on and on about what a GamePadless Wii U would have meant?