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BMaker11 said:
jlmurph2 said:
BMaker11 said:
jlmurph2 said:

Same thing happened when XB1 won December NPD too.

When the PS4 was extremely supply constrained? And was only outsold buring 40k during Christmas? Had Sony been able to keep up with demand, it would have demolished the XBone in December, like it did every following month when they were able to do better at meeting demand. 

Lol so what are you saying? Is being available in stores good or bad? Because I'm seeing contradicting points from you.

XB1 did so good in December because it was readily available.

XB1 must be doing bad now that the $399 SKU is readily available.

Is the Wii U selling gangbusters because its not available? Or is not being available keeping them from doing that?

I'm just saying it barely outsold a supply constrained PS4, so that shouldn't really be a talking point.  It certainly didn't do bad in December, but that just comes with the territory of it being Christmas. Even WiiU sold a half million, almost as much as the 360's first Christmas with no current gen competition, and that's the "doomed" console. But there's a difference between "readily available" and "stacks of the product". Let's just say that if the PS4 had those amounts of stockpiles available, its December sales would have been through the roof.

But now we're at a time where there isn't a holiday rush, so retailers aren't ordering a bunch of product to be prepared for expected demand. Meaning, at least according to Arkaign, 10 days later, what the stores ordered hasn't sold. I could be wrong about my assumption about ordering a bunch to meet expected demand, and a bunch sold and the guy saw the remaining products. But it's June, so I doubt Walmart, Gamestop, Target, etc. is ordering a crap ton of consoles, since these are the dead months for video games. 

When you say the XBone did "so good" in December, it's only "good" because it won. But it only won because its competition wasn't able to produce enough product in that region. In that regard, I see no contradicting points. There should be an asteriks next to "XB1 did so good in December because it was readily available" since PS4 wasn't. It didn't do "so good" by virtue of it being so available. It did "so good" because it sold more than its direct competitor, which wasn't as available to be sold. If I had 10 Zunes and 5 iPods, then sold out of my iPods and sold 7 Zunes, it looks like Zune did better, right? But if I had 10 iPods, I would have sold out of iPods. Compare it to now, though, where inventory levels are about equal. You see less PS4s in stores than XBones and we can agree, right now, that XBone sales are bad. So when you see so much stock of Xbones, that should tell you something.

Look, I'm not denying that there won't be a boost in sales. But just looking at recent history, when you see a bunch of XBones everywhere, the result is XB1 < PS4 WW, when all things are otherwise equal. Sorry for small novel

I wish more people wrote small novels if they were going to be like this. You are well spoken, clear, you give awesome examples and back them up with very valid (albeit) opinions. I haven't read any responses and I kinda get the feeling you are going to get a few people lacking in the ability to grasp and understand all of which you said. Those kinds of people, "I'm not gonna read you're novel of an explanation that makes no sense at all, go write a book somewhere else we are here to argue one liners back forth!" that's what I hear from those people lol

 

Oh and what I don't get.. You very clearly stated "I'm not denying that ther won't be a boost in sales" .. I happen to agree there will be a boost. Probably a pretty big boost as far as the X Box One is concerned. I think my personal opinion (usually wrong lol) it will rise up and push upwards of 90k maybe even 100k WW. That will be a HUGE boost based on where the X One has been. The PS4 will probably do over 100k also maybe sell a few thousand less or a few thousand more. I think some people are being blinded to the fact that this is hardly a price cut.. it is a stripping of a (according to MS) an integral and at one point required part of the experience. I thought EVERYTHING was better on X Box because of Kinect? Now taking away what was once their selling point, still being significantly under-powered in comparison to the PS4, always having the 2nd or 3rd best versions of 3rd party games, and now costing the SAME PRICE as a far better valued console is supposed to increase sales significantly? I just don't see it. Before MS at least could say you pay a little more but you get the amazing Kinect and all it offers (which is a lot still outside of just gaming). Some people said it was totally worth $499 and obviously millions have bought it. Now take away that feature, price it the SAME PRICE as a far more popular and known stronger console, and expect it to sell more? again.. sorry to beat a dead horse.. I just don't see that happening. Some people are seeing the X Box One through beer goggles right now and it is impairing their judgement.