We all know Microsoft screwed up.

[Dr.Henry_Killinger]

Dark_Feanor said:

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

jlmurph2 said:
Sony didn't ditch the PS camera in every box because of Microsoft. They did it because it would take away from PS4 shipments and manufacturing. Earlier this year it was said that the very supply constrained camera sold 900k compared to the 7m PS4'S sold. Sony didn't feel it was worth the time to put a camera in every box. It may have been to sell more PS4'S but the decision wasn't made at E3.

+2 for Logic.

claim without evidence = speculation

claim + fact that ps4 was supply constrained + camera was more supply constrained then ps4 + reasoning = logical conclusion.

You know that DS4 light bar exists for a reason, don´t you? And PSCamera was so important for Sony that at February 2013 presentation they spent almost 10mintus on it (+ Move).

PSCamera was to be bundled untill the very last moment when MS openned the guard for Sony outcut then in price.

We know Kinect 360 sold at least 25mi units in 3 years even with terrible support from game developers. I can asure you that Sony would have sacrificed all "The Last of Us" GOTY for that kind off financial success.

We've been over this.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

BraveNewWorld said:

Sony was originally going to ship the PS4 with the PS Eye, at $500. When they saw that the Xbox One was doing the same thing they changed course to beat Microsoft's pricing.

Shuhei Yoshida confirmed that Sony waited for Microsoft to reveal the DRM policies to guage reaction. When they saw it was overwhelmingly negative they changed course.

Also when you utilize reasoning skills you discover how utterely impossible this is.

How did Sony watch E3, and then respond to XB1 backlash in time before November, when a company, orders of magnitude healtier and richer than they are, who the backlash was clearly directed at, IS STILL sticking with it.

HELL, they are both manufactured by FOXCONN

You don't think they would've noticed if employes started taking cameras out of the millions of blue boxes?!?!

You mean to tell me Sony said nope not gonna do that Last June and this Febuary MS is still saying:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-25-microsoft-no-plans-to-release-an-xbox-one-without-kinect

or that they are having trouble removing it when Sony did it so easily, with nobody finding out except Conspiracy Theorists and speculators?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/216199/Xbox_One_increases_Microsoft_revenues__but_its_cost_cuts_into_profits.php

You mean to tell me MS did not learn of the importance of being cheaper last gen?! Are you fcking kidding me? Wake up!

Not to mention the fact that, doing the opposite of selling controllers without the light bar would fracture its support completely. Only people who had the camera would buy the ds4 with light bar. 

And a light bar doesn't drive the cost of the SKU up, so nobody especially not Sony, who've had a camera since the PS2 cares about how well the Kinect did.