PS2 and Nintendo Wii.

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tastyshovelware said:

bdbdbd said:

But that's more things in common with PS2, everyone was on board with DC, that was released earlier and all the real games were put on GC. 3rd parties turned to PS2 because they had to, since it was the only way to make money. Their last choice. Look at the PS2 launch lineup, if you call it serious 3rd party support, you must be out of your mind. Neither were PS2 the choice of hardcore, when GC and XBox were on the market. But it didn't help them. The only difference in your post is, that PS2 wasn't cheap in comparision. @Rock on: Did you know that Wii is the first Nintendo console without "Nintendo" in its name?

 if by everyone was on board with the DC you mean sega, then yes. that system was dead from the start.

also, the majority of all launches are sub par. look at the wii, you had twilight princess and....?

of course hardcore gamers bought the ps2. by the fall of 01 (one year after launching in the US) it had: 

GT3, twisted metal black, ICO, and jak and daxter as 1st party published titles.

klonoa 2, GTA3, devil may cry, midnight club street racing, SSX, tony hawk 3, ff-10, MGS2, RE: code veronica X, NBA street, SSX tricky, virtua fighter 4, and spy hunter as 3rd party published titles.

so, the exclusive home (in most cases) of metal gear, gta, gt, final fantasy, virtua fighter, twisted metal, and devil may cry was considered secondary by 3rd party developers. yeah right. 

First, i think you should take a look about the post i replied to. Second, any of those points i made, aren't untrue. DC was the first in the market, so it was used, like 360, as a stepboard to next generation, ready to move on. GC had good 3rd party support from the start, with comparatively high-rated games, but it ended quickly because of its dissappointing sales. 3rd parties go where the money is, and it's hard to believe that they would deliberately choose the platform that is the hardest to develope for, unless there's more money to make that way. So it was their last choice by default. Yes, Wii had TP, but PS2 had nothing. So, looking at the attach rates, GC and Xbox really were the hardcore choices.