Are Xbox One buyers REALLY paying $100 more for weaker hardware?

[Dr.Henry_Killinger]

d21lewis said:

greenmedic88 said:
There's no debating that the XB1 as currently packaged, has a higher BoM than the current PS4.

Depending upon which data set/estimate one reads, the difference varies, but it is around the $100 mark (most have it under a $100 difference).

But of course, the production costs don't equal consumer demand relative to supply. The package may cost close to $500 to ship, but clearly, there is a more limited market for that package and all that it includes than there is for a $399 PS4.

At any rate, telling consumers that the XB1 is actually a better value or a better package isn't going to convince anyone who has the slightest clue about what they want to change their mind about what they want.

Totally agree with everything you said.  

 

Just to be clear, I never attempted to sway anybody's opinion.  I'm just saying that it costs $500 because it has more packed in the box despite being weaker.  Other people (maybe not you) seem to have read more into it than that.

It could be a $200 console that comes with $300 worth of bird seed and I'd say the cost was justified because it equalled $500.  Whether you want bird seed to feed to birds so that they will let you have sex with them (you sick bastard!) or you take the bird seed and throw it in the garbage is up to you.

Sure the cost is justified, but if you don't want the bird seed than its not extra value. It acts like a detriment, driving up the cost and barrier of entry to the console.

More isn't neccessarily better. If the only thing you value in the package is the 200$ console, then you could have spent 300$ on things that you value rather than on bird seed. 

TBH, Kinect 2.0 is exactly the same mistake that PS Move was.

PS Move was better than the Wiimote in pretty much every technical way, but Sony copied it without understanding why it worked so well.

Kinect 2.0 is also more accurate and technologically superior to the eyetoy, camera, and wiimote, but again its copying them without understanding why they worked so well. Specifically, the mandatory Wiimote. It worked for various reason such as the being the primary mode of control (kinect is an alternative to the controller), the only way to control the menu (kinect partially got this right), being cheap, and being easy to use (again kinect has this partially right).

Case in point, we only use our dorm wii for gamecube games, few wii games, project m, and melee, until this year we had to use the wii mote to turn it on but after hacking it to work without the wiimote, the sensorbar and wiimotes are all just collecting dust.

The Kinect we have for the 360 doesn't really do anything, not because its inaccurate, but because the controller is just better.

CIP: If MS really wants to give the XB1 more value than the PS4 rather than just a higher price, drop it to 399$ and make the kinect either mandatory or give it a killer app. They are talking a lot about how the Kinect is the future, but if the truly have the cajones then they should be pushing it as hard as they can.