spemanig said:
VitroBahllee said:
spemanig said:
Dude you don't get it. No one is saying that Wind Waker isn't cartoony. You aren't convincing anything. Ocarina of Time is still cartoony. The Powerpuff Girls is more bright and cartoony than Tom and Jerry. Does that suddenly make Tom and Jerry a realistic live action comedy?
I'll save you the embarassment by answering that for you. No. No it doesn't. Tom and Jerry is still very much a cartoon.
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spemanig, I'd say it is you who don't get it - you are determined not to take his point. You were what, five when Ocarina came out judging from what you said earlier? You had nothing to compare N64 graphics to. Arguing that Ocarina is cartoony like Yoshi's Island or Wind Waker is just making you look stubborn. Nobody is convinced by your arguments.
EVERYBODY considers Twilight Princess to be the spiritual successor in not only graphics but play style (no giant oceans) to Ocarina and Majora's mask. Remember the cheers from the audience at E3 when the first Twilight Princess trailer was unveiled? Why do you think that was? Admittedly, it sounds like you would have been about ten when it happened, but maybe you remember.
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No. EVERYBODY doesn't. Internet dwellers do, which is a fraction of all Zelda fans. My age doesn't matter in this. I never said that it was the same cartoony style as Wind Waker or Yoshi's Island, but it is cartoony. That's not an opinion. That's not an argument. That's a fact. Artstyle is not subjective. Something is either objectively a cartoon aimed for kids, or a realistic peice of art aimed towards adults. Ocarina of Time is a rated E game with exadurated faces, a giant talking tree with thick eyebrows and a mustache made of bark, and a character who is very clearly a parody of Mario that you have to wake up with a tiny rooster that fit's into your pocket. Every piece of art, every cleaned up model in Ocarina of Time very clearly is cartoony. Just because the colors it uses aren't primary, doesn't mean that it isn't very clearly a cartoon childs game for children.
And let's be clear, I don't care what EVERYBODY thinks. EVERYBODY used to think that everything revolved around the Earth and EVERYBODY was factually wrong. There are infinite variations on cartoons. There's only one realism. Ocarina of Time was not and will never be it. You show running footage of Ocarina of Time to anyone without a bias and they'll tell you that it's a cartoony kids game because it is, and so was every Zelda before it and every Zelda, sans Twilight Princess, after it.
I was 11 when that happened, and the cheer where because people wanted a dark and gritty Zelda. That doesn't make Ocarina of Time any less of a cartoony game.
You can argue all you want, but this:
...will never be realistic. Fact.
There are no exceptions. You're realistic, or you're cartoony. You're not cartoony in realistic or realistic in cartoony.
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