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Machiavellian on 09 January 2014
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:


Yes MS has had first party studios and killed them and so have the competition.  Did Sony not kill off 3 studios themselves.  I am not sure what your point is.  All of the console players have had and dropped dead weight.  This is not a measure of how competitent either are at creating studios.  Actually the studios from Sony I believe that are the most successful are the ones they bought not created.


They probably did kill off three businesses, but Sony hasn't left a trail of dead first party like Microsoft is all I am saying. Look at much first party Sony has now that MS forced them to not depend on third parties and now its only going to grow. MS has to match them, but they will still depend on third parties. The most successful companies have the most creative people with an eye for what people enmass want. Its easy for a corporation to buy what they couldn't make themselves. For Sony to have a vision with Naughty Dog since 1995 and come out with the games in tandem that they have together, you start to understand the level of creativity that not only flows through the developers that they align themselves with but the administrative portion of the company as well. Naughty Dog and Sony formed because they had and eye for Pixar-like games and wanted to be the forefront of that after Pixar blew up with Toy Story. Look at them now...they do that and they are onto bigger and better thing like Uncharted and Last of Us touting a much closer and creative relationship than even Rare had with Nintendo. I mean Uncharted was supposed to be a Lord of the Rings style game and Sony told them whats hot in the market and how to change it. They did the rest. All the major companies Sony purchased have an aligned mentality with Sony. Sucker Punch is no different. Sony believes in them in a way Microsoft would've dropped them for years ago. Companies like Naughty Dog &  Sucker Punch are examples of the extended style Sony touts that no one can match. Even Sony Santamonica has a similar attitude even though they do something different and Sony created them. Sony just has innate epic sensibilities especially since they are also a movie house. 

Remedy might make games for Microsoft, but they are moreso thankful for the money MS is giving them from what I've read because now they can make games as big and creative as they want to. Creative isn't Microsofts strongsuit unless you're talking OS which they floor their competition with (but Sony's isn't bad at all this gen). Look at Rares position and I feel bad for them because an outside company like Double Helix is making them look like asses. Its a shame and you know it. Rare is f'n done. Stick a fork in them unless Microsoft stops using them for Kinect. 

Stage, you are jumping to conclusions.  You state Ms has left a trail of dead first party studios, do you know how many.  I found 4, FASA, Carbonate Games, Ensemble and Aces Studio.  This is from 2006 to today.  If that is a trail of dead studios then Sony isn't far behind.  Most of the studios Sony own they bought.  They did not create those studios they bought those studios in the heyday of the PS2 so they can corner exclusive games from those top studios.  You make it sound like Sony created these studios in some type of Altristic way but instead Sony used good of business sense to grab as may good studios as they can to bloster their inhouse first party games to combat Nintendo and MS.  This is no different then what MS has done.  In order to stay competitive, they have bought or created studios using veteran talent.

Next you go on about Naught Dog.  Naughty Dog make damn good games and as long as they do that, Sony will continue to give them freedom.  3 Studios that have not performed have been closed by Sony so do not go on about how Sony believes and all this stuff.  Sony is a business just like any other and if any of their studios start to turn out crap of so so games, they will be on the block just like any other.

What I see from you is a double standard.  If it was MS who would have purchase a lot of these studios, you would be condeming them as predators.  Since it Sony, its all good.

My point is that MS and Sony are a business.  I do not see Sony any different than MS and I do not see them doing anything really different.  Sony had the head start and the proper business sense to purchase a lot of good studios when they were on top.  That has allowed them to weather the storm during the PS3 gen and it continues to be a strength this new gen.  MS it appears is serious about bring in exclusive talent to compete with Sony and Nintendo.  We will see how that turns up in a few years once those games get release.  I am not making any bets because anything can happen in the next few years.