So, Super Mario 3D World is not moving consoles

[Arius Dion]

zorg1000 said:

Arius Dion said:

zorg1000 said:

Arius Dion said:

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oniyide said:

Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.

I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

That literally makes no sense. A system seller is a game that makes people buy the hardware. if a console only sells 10 million lifetime and the best selling game has a 100% attach ratio than that game is a system seller.

Mario 64 was a system seller, it was the primary reason to own an N64, especially in the first 6 months of its life. Without Mario 64, the biggest launch window games were Pilotwings and Wave Race, im pretty sure those games werent pushing a ton of hardware.

Actually, I'd say your idea of a system seller makes no sense.  "take away the game and how much does the system sell" That's retarded. Because the game was released, and the console was a steep decline from the SNES. So obviously the game didn't sell enough systems.

As an aside, Wave Race 64 remains my favorite racing game of all time. The game was simply amazing. If Wii U gets a Wave Race, I get a Wii U.

Gamecube and N64, are homes to two of my favorite single player games ever. OoT deserves Goat, and for me it is. No doubt about it. And Metroid Prime to me, is the Citizen Kane of video games. It is a masterpiece. But as a whole both systems failed to really catch on to the mainstream, and signaled continued decline for Nintendo. Until the Wii (tied for my favorite console ever with SNES)

its not retarded, It makes perfect sense. N64 sold 33m with Mario 64. Lets say It never released and N64 only sold 25m, that would mean 8m people bought N64 for that game, making It a big system seller. Now on the other hand lets say Mario 64 was never released and N64 still sold close to 33m, that would make Mario 64 a non factor In N64 sales. again like I said before, Its Impossible to tell exactly how many of those 33m bought It for that game but based on It having like a 35% attach ratio and being the best selling game of the generation makes me believe It was the biggest single system seller for N64.

comparing N64 sales to SNES sales has nothing to do with whether or not Mario 64 was a system seller. It doesnt matter that N64 didnt reach mainstream success because thats not how a system seller is defined. a system seller is a game that makes people buy a console. Ur argument seems to be that Mario 64 wasnt as big of a system seller as SNES biggest system sellers and that could very well be true but that doesnt male Mario 64 any less of a system seller.

You're dealing with what if's, I'm dealing with what was. Mario 64 was not the system seller Nintendo hoped it'd be. Hell because of Gamecubes low installed base it had an amazingly high attach rate. Didn't stop the Gamecube from being a failure. (Admitted by Iwata btw)