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BMaker11 on 06 December 2013
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thx1139 said:
BMaker11 said:

I'll edit my comment and address the rest later, but as for the bold:

 It's not being twisted into a negative. MS is saying they're sold out at retailers around the world. Retailers around the world are saying "no, we're not". There's no need to twist a demonstrably false statement into a negative. If they would have said something like "we're having trouble keeping up with demand" or "we've sold out in many places" then that is vague enough that it gets the point across and can't be spun in anyway, positive or negative. But to say "we're sold out at retailers around the world", which implies that they are just sold out, period (you can play semantics if you want to by calling it merely  "a simple statement") and these retailers respond with "no", that's akin to saying I'm naked when I clearly have clothes on 

OK so can you show me where "Retailers around the world are saying 'no, we're not"?  One clerk at a store does not a retailer make.  They have no way of knowing if they are sold out at every store everywhere. Do you claim they are lying if they say it and someone returns an X1 to a retailer and the clerk says look we have an X1?  

Well, if you read the OP: Likewise when contacting a Target store in Folsom, California.  While a store employee said he sold his store's last Xbox One earlier in the day, he was able to confirm that no fewer than two other Northern California Target locations had them in stock with the El Dorado Hills store showing eight units in stock and the store in Lincoln, California, with ten.

not to mention, when photos like ---> http://imgur.com/gallery/X3m4uW0 and http://tinyurl.com/ljsd2yw are all over the internet from hours or days after the console launched, it leads one to believe "retailers around the world are saying 'no we're not'", not to mention that's what the article's title is anyway. 

And no, I don't believe that if an XBone sells and the buyer returns it, MS is then lying. I mean, the thing sold and that's what the retailer, then, reported. But when there's literal piles in several stores in several markets, as evidenced by easily accessible photographic proof, you can then extrapolate (much like how VGC extrapolates its data from small samples to get 95% accurate numbers). It no longer becomes "one clerk at a store". It becomes "there are several instances of the XBone being in stock, it's not an outlier"